What’s going on? Books on the Mughals? Something I can find in the USA?
I was on Abhinav’s show.
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principia
3 years ago
Aarti Tikoo, a Kashimiri Hindu whose family was displaced, has strong words for the Modi govt as they are backpedalling on Kashmir. Essentially returning to a failed previous policy of meeting with islamists and soft seperatists. The cancellation of 370 and the re-integration of Kashmir is now slowly being abandoned and it’s the legacy of families like Tikoo’s which is being buried and betrayed.
Arun Shourie was right: BJP is nothing but Congress + Cow.
Once a symbolic offering has been made, back to the new normal.
Whatever his other faults, Modi has solved Kashmir. He is 80% Patel and 20% Nehru where as Vajpayee was 20% Patel and 80% Nehru. BJP is S V B Patel ji’s Congress.
Now is the time to shift goalposts, make Afghanistan the new Kashmir.
I think India’s influence as well as the importance of Afghanistan (for India) were over hyped. Perhaps we started believing it ourselves. With Iran-US tensions, India had to choose one side over other, and without Iran , Afghanistan-India was dead in water. Though even when the going was good , i was skeptical of financial benefits of central Asian pipelines and trade.
Be that as it may, India’s best bet is a sort of power shared Afghanistan, which in my view still achievable, and perhaps be the final settlement.
eventually the northern alliance will be resurrected in some form, this time americans also supporting it. i feel americans could have hived off a non pastun area in the north like the kurdistan in iraq. this would have been sensible. british would have done this, based on their experience!!!
Mitchell Porter
3 years ago
People’s Daily reports on southeast Asian genomics
I have never dabbled with ICEs but the general idea is that aircrat ICEs (think Rotax or Lycoming) can produce high power for a long time without overheating. Also 20hp is measly, with a home made propeller even the conversion would not be efficient.
Not these ones. India just does not have the ecosystem for aviation. Forget Western Europe, North America and Russia even places like Chech Republic and South Africa have it better.
In VTOL the champion is Joby which has been valued at $6.5 Billion USD. Other big ones include Lilium and Volocopter from Germany, Ehang from China/Singapore and Airbus. There are tens of similar companies mostly in the US.
In passenger airliner space there is Heart Aerospace from Sweden who are making a big ass plane and Eviation from Israel.
In puny normal electric airplanes there are many but Pipistrel from Slovenia is the first mover. In making electric motors for aircraft MagniX has lead but Siemens and Safran are getting into electric aircraft motors and they are beasts I would not mess with.
India’s only serious hope in GA was Gippsland Aero of Mahindra. We have eplane.ai and ubifly from India which are making electric VTOL planes. Maybe they can pull something off.
India just does not have the ecosystem for aviation.
What will it take to evolve such an ecosystem?
Seems to me that a lot of the pioneering work in aviation has been done by hobbyists or small boostrapped startups going back to the invention of the airplane.
Even the different kinds of jet-packs that are now coming up by the likes of Gravity or Zapata started off as hobby projects.
We have eplane.ai and ubifly from India which are making electric VTOL planes.
I think eplane and ubifly are the same. I know the eplane founder. They have an interesting plan. Let’s see if they can execute. It’s going to get real competitive real fast. Indian government is going to be found sleeping again as far as regulations and incentives are concerned.
Do they use it as fuel for turbojets or in fuel cells? Hydrogen+ planes reminds me of Hindenburg.
Hydrogen is much safer now than back then. Check out the company Universal Hydrogen.
Btw Motabhai announced a large green hydrogen plant in the Reliance AGM last week.
The Indian government is pretty keen to get in on green hydrogen early. They missed the bus on lithium by a long margin and are having to play catch-up. So pre-empting this one. But it’s very dependent on being able to maintain the cheap solar rates that we have now, that is in turn dependent on cheap imports of PV cells from China.
Becoming energy independent is hard.
Small aircraft companies tend to be centered around one crazy guy. Think Luigi Pascale of Partenavia and Tecnam, Ivo Boscarlo of Pipistrel, Sling from South Africa, Bob Barrows of Bearhawk, Chris Heintz of Zenith and many many more. Usually when companies end up in corporate hands fuck-ups happen.
Indians being a darponk people do not produce such eccentrics in large numbers. People who love flying and would not do anything to else even for money. Also our general level of engineering competence is pathetic, try remembering about the last time anyone near you got a CNC milled part fabricated or even fixed their own car or motorcycle. Our mean value is low and that drags the 3sigma tails down where the action really happens. Aviation is costly and Indians don’t have money.
On top level I think Americans and the French have love of aviation in their hearts and minds. They see the beauty in it over the utility. France has spent >USD 100 billion on Rafales. For comparison India has spent less than 3 Billion combined on all Tejas related activities including the jet engine.
Others like Brazil, China, Russia, Canada do it because what else to do? And they have big countries.
We are too far behind, don’t have the engineers to put things together, don’t have users who can give feedback, don’t have expertise in making components. General aviation is a a lawsuit heavy field with low volumes so I don’t think we will ever make it. Indian armed forces could have announced in advance that they were going to buy $20 million worth of 200 LSAs a few years ago and asked domestic companies to design something. When people do things they learn. But Indian defence people being the tooti-angregi, self absorbed, mig-21 shot down flying aces they are just don’t see it. They want big systems first.
On jetpacks like Gravity and Zapata I am sure a tender will come 20 years from now from IA asking for a system to be delivered within 5 months on ’emergency’ basis. These IA acquisition fuckers are so stupid. They wasted a decade dillydallying on Tata Kestrel and now will buy some Russian light tank. IAF flies maybe 7 separate fighters!! Armed forces leadership are the most over-rated people in India, closely followed by our judiciary.
I am sure USAF is paying Joby below the table. Ubifly should be supported aggressively by Indian government, there is definitely a market in offshore resupply. Maybe with electric propulsion there will be no thin-air problems that come with jets operating at higher altitude.
Hydrogen plan seems like a very good step. Much bigger than aviation. Fingers crossed.
Being from batti background I don’t know much about hydrogen powered planes. Do they use it as fuel for turbojets or in fuel cells? Hydrogen+ planes reminds me of Hindenburg.
Sumit
3 years ago
Why has Pakistan failed to extend its influence into the central asian -stan countries ?
Sees like an alliance / special trade zone of sorts would benefit everyone.
Not enough time passed after the fall of Soviet Union when 9/11 happened so those plans were shelved. I think that is eventually the long term goal of the Pakistani establishment, but Afghanistan needs to be stabilized first before dabbling with Central Asia.
“Why has Pakistan failed to extend its influence into the central asian -stan countries ?”
Relations with Iran have been complicated by Iran being Shia, as well as Pakistan’s close relationship with Saudi Arabia and the United States.
Relations with Afghanistan have been complicated by the porous border that many in Afghanistan dispute, as well as Afghanistan being very underdeveloped due to the constant wars, terrorism, and all sorts of conflicts.
Siddharth
3 years ago
I’d like to know about some not so well known or hidden gems when it comes to travel and culture around the subcontinent that some of the contributors here may like to share – it could be their home towns or places they visited and think more people should know about.
I’ll start with the Gajapati district of Odisha – the eastern ghats there are largely untouched and while the tourist infrastructure isn’t great, there are some good forest homestays. The tribals are surprisingly friendly and welcome you into their homes easily and readily share their food and locally made mohuli drink that is sweet and intoxicating. There’s a small Tibetan settlement in Jiranga and a large Padmasambhava monastery that wouldn’t look out of place in Sikkim, surrounded as it is by green hills all around. A really underrated state that I hope more people get to know beyond the Puri-Konark belt.
Like I said. Pakistan is nothing more than a radical Islam infused biradri ethnosupremacist hijacking of an ashraf power consolidation project. There were genocidal tendencies from the start, stemming from a deep hatred.
They are trying to pull a Mexico, arming the local farmers against the cartels. Worked a bit here and there but the cartels still grow stronger. There have been reports of dead former Pak soldiers among the Taliban and retired commanders. In some ways, this is a war between Afghanistan and quasi proxy of Pak. The proxy has rogue tendencies though…
Good work Indian security. I hope there is no terrorist attack coordinated by the ISI. Sadly, it is a low cost to the transgressor to commit strikes via terrorist proxies. It is anything but discouraged by the Machievillian forces in such an on and off tense situation.
thewarlock
3 years ago
The Afganistan and US stick and carrot points are interesting.
In the midst of Immy Khan’s rape apologism, you get a nice dose of this. Mirrors behavior in the UK quite nicely.
Ugra
3 years ago
I watched the blog. The comments about PPP and nominal per capita were rather reductionist, I say!! Long form explanations aren’t grounds for disqualification, maybe to disinterested outsiders – yes – but to a good student – it will reveal layers. Kind of like not knowing the difference between autosomal, Y and mtDNA.
If I measured the temperature of everyday objects separately in different units – Kelvin and Celsius and Fahrenheit – and displayed the results to observers – the novices in the crowd might be inclined to think one of the objects is much much hotter than the rest. @principia, pay attention!
So, there is only one country in the world whose nominal GDP per capita and PPP are exactly same – that is the US. If we measured world GDP in rupees or taka – we would have different numbers and different variances between the countries.
Now here is the kicker – if we did measure nominal GDP in rupees, India’s would be higher than BD. If we did the same with taka, India would still be ahead. Or for that matter, any other currency – Euro, Yen or Pesos.
With dollars, it inverts because BD has invested an exceptionally high proportion of its economy in providing exports to the US. Real world implication is that almost all of BD’s foreign exchange is traded with the US.
We use a infrared theromometer to measure but the device is only showing the skin temperature. If you are grilling steaks and measuring with the help of a IR Gun – then they WILL come out undercooked. The skin is way hotter than the internals.
The BD economy has several components – only one of them (textiles) presents an high value to the nominal GDP (dollar) tool while the rest are way cooler, underperforming or lagging.
Broad spectrum data proves this in every field you can think of. Very simple example – BD does not yet have a single km of an operational urban rail metro system. Pakistan has 27 kms, India has 760 kms and China has 6100 kms.
This is not to nitpick – but BD planners have been self-aware of this extreme dependence for quite some. In 2013, they proposed a common currency for South Asia – which will benefit them in monetary terms.
The real question – was the intensive textile focus an outcome of multi-generational factors or a planned outcome? I think it was the former – the Bengal region was always famous for textile exports right from the 18th century. But they were linked to the Indian hinterland and were much more economically robust. Now they have separated from Pakistan and are now back to focussing on their core competence. But they will have to integrate on other levels at some point!
Which is why I am reasonably confident that a Bangladesh – India Union (monetary first, political later) will happen in the coming decades. Failure to do so will accelerate their inclusion into the single sector political-economies – Arab (Oil), Malaysia (Palm Oil), Maldives (Tourism) etc.
The Brown People need to prepare for Akhand Bharat!
China is now second largest export partner of India
Roy
3 years ago
Indian Bar Association Sues WHO for Lying About Ivermectin and Killing Indians — Will Fauci and CDC Be Next?
The Indian Bar Association (IBA) sued WHO Chief Scientist Dr. Soumya Swaminathan on May 25, accusing her in a 71-point brief of causing the deaths of Indian citizens by misleading them about Ivermectin. There is also an updated legal notice on June 13, 2021.
Point 56 states, “That your misleading tweet on May 10, 2021, against the use of Ivermectin had the effect of the State of Tamil Nadu withdrawing Ivermectin from the protocol on May 11, 2021, just a day after the Tamil Nadu government had indicated the same for the treatment of COVID-19 patients.”
If a trial in India finds WHO Chief Scientist Dr. Soumya Swaminathan guilty then the WHO Scientist could be sentenced to death or life in prison. Dr Soumya Swaminathan would have be charged with the threatened criminal prosecution and be found guilty on one of the those charges.
The Government of Tamil Nadu has published new treatment protocols for COVID-19 patients that leaves out the use of ivermectin, which had been included in a previous version. The new protocols describe three categories of COVID-19 patients based on the level of care they need: home-based, primary care and pre-hospital care. It leaves hospital care out. The tests to determine the category to which a patient belongs are oxygen saturation (SpO2) and respiratory rate.
It’s stupidity and a publicity stunt. India has no locus standi. The Irrational and stupid arguements made by Indians regarding India being head of Executive council is frivolous. India doesn’t fund WHO at all. Be there as it may, outrage by Indians on this matter makes no sense. WHO is a body which receives maximum funds from Bill and Melinda Gates foundation, Germany and European nations. They represent interests primarily of the United States, European Nations like Germany United Kingdom and France. IBA will not succeed though my best wishes with them
J T
3 years ago
To go back to a different topic. During the brief war between Azerbaijan and Armenia and the Azeris used drones to destroy Armenian forces and defenses. Azeris were assisted by Turkey’s armed drones. Turkey also used these drones against Syrian forces near its border.
What is really curious is that is the conflict in the Galwan heights just a year back, China did not use any such tools despite having some of the best drone manufacturing companies and technology in the world. I have heard some reports say that this was because these resources were all focused on the Taiwan straights. Apparently, only now is China upgrading its military resources in the Xinjiang Military Region – this includes Ladakh – to also be able to bring to bear drones and related technologies.
But to me it is like the mystery of “the dog that did not bark”. There could be many reasons for this:
1. China may have believed that it could teach India a lesson without needing to deploy these technologies. Perhaps a miscalculation on the Chinese side.
2. Perhaps it does take a long time to integrate these tools and technologies into military C3I systems, and this deployment would have been observed by Indian and Western satellites/intelligence.
3. Third and most likely is that China did not wish to show its hand in terms of tools and techniques that it has been perfecting to bring Taiwan back under its military control. A demonstration of these technologies would have given the real adversary – the US – an opportunity to analyze and learn, and hence successfully obstruct the effectiveness of these technologies. So from a Chinese perspective, a small price to pay for pulling in its claws.
But the next conflict on the India-China border is likely to be a very different affair if China does indeed succeed in catching India napping with drone warfare.
india does spring a surprise to the opposite side as seen in recent conflicts. use of ” tanks” in the kashmir war of ’48, achieving surrender of pak forces in ’71, use of airforce in kargil, capture of heights in pangon so after being on the receiving end. so they don’t strictly play by the text book.
i feel chinese will be surprised in the next conflict.
india does spring a surprise to the opposite side as seen in recent conflicts. use of ” tanks” in the kashmir war of ’48, achieving surrender of pak forces in ’71, use of airforce in kargil, capture of heights in pangon so after being on the receiving end. so they don’t strictly play by the text book.
i feel chinese will be surprised in the next conflict.
How would you rate this company. The founder is french (Kalki Koechlin’s father) so it supports what you said about different country’s cultures and aviation.
They have fabric covered tubular construction with what seems like a non-aerospace grade fabric. Their designs look dated, I am not an Aerospace engineer but to my untrained eyes Carbon>>fabric-tubular, especially on non-bush plane applications.
Like I said, Gippsland was our only hope and it has died. India does not have the appetite for small airplanes. There are plenty of old Cessnas and Pipers for the flight schools. I have never met an Indian who owns a small airplane, there was this grad student I knew in the US who was building his own.
IAF+IA had ordered 100s of aircrafts in early 2000s and mid 2010s for NCC and casual flying. Zenith won in early 2000s and Pipistrel won in mid 2010s, massive missed opportunities for make in India. If we don’t make small airplanes and try a bunch of configurations, face failures and learn how are we ever going to build bigger ones? but the fools at IAF prancing around as experts want to leapfrog and always land on their face.
Parriker showed his engineering prowess when he forced these assholes to buy HTT 40 over imported Pilatus. I can’t understand how can they expect to build jets without ever making simpler planes?
…If we don’t make small airplanes and try a bunch of configurations, face failures and learn how are we ever going to build bigger ones?…
From a engineering and manufacturability perspective, this is not correct. Crafts operating in the lower flying regimes are completely unlike the ones that are operating in the higher regimes.
Helicopters are a ton more complex than anything in the air. And we have better products than MBB or any other Euro giant.
We also made rapid strides in jet aircraft because we have a customer (IAF) willing to buy the asset and spend a ton of money in lifetime maintenance over 40 years.
For the same reason, we have not built any small aircraft because there is no established customer base who are willing to pre-order (remember the small aircraft market is always build-to-order, not sell-from-stock).
How I wish that Sanjay Gandhi did not die in his Pitts-S2A on June 23, 1980…the only to kickstart private flying is to make the elites catch the bug. And Sanjay was doing a fine job of it – this man not only kickstarted passenger car manufacturing in India but also came close to getting rich Indians to take to the skies at a plane’s controls.
“From a engineering and manufacturability perspective, this is not correct.”
I disagree. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VI3FsHMVEec
This guy would make a far better aerospace engineer than khayali pulaavs people making jets at NAL. Having experience building Marutis translates well into building RRs or Bentleys.
“Crafts operating in the lower flying regimes are completely unlike the ones that are operating in the higher regimes.”
So what? skills from small aircraft manufacturing like working with sheet metal, doing design-trades translate over very well, look at Taneja Aerospace in India. Also tell this to Scaled Composites or Diamond Aircraft or Grob Aircraft or Pilatus, they will have a big laugh. All of them started from humble piston engine designs, played with crazy designs and now manufacture great aircrafts. I can name many others.
“And we have better products than MBB or any other Euro giant.”
This is pure fantasy. Dhruv was designed by MBB, we are >30 years behind Euros, Where is our 175, our Super Puma our Dauphin?
HAL could not even fix spin issues on Sitara and had to bring in British and American consultants, the construction quality is so poor that the canopy blew off one of them on take-off, HAL Dhruv had water leaks into cockpit during rains.
Among the aerospace giants of Asia, India is in the top 3 along with Russia and China. In fact, for the top 100 global aerospace companies ranked by revenue – India has a company in the 40s – which outranks countries like Japan, South Korea and Israel. Acutally Rafael outranks HAL, but Rafael is purely a munitions and electronics maker – not a builder of aircraft.
Again there is no connection between piston-engined/glider/low regime aircraft and aviation success – the facts deny the reality you are painting.
I would like Indian companies in that light category to excel – but they have no organic connection to move up the ladder. HAL proves it paradoxically!
MBB were asked to carry out a consultancy project for the gearbox and anti-resonance damping. They failed at the second. The anti-resonance damping tech is entirely HAL’s jewel in the crown and…..the HAL Mk4 looks nothing like the MK1.
The F22 crashes every year, the F35 crashes every year, Apaches crash exceedingly frequently…..whats your point? Is it your expectation? – that a competence indicator is that the aircraft never crashes 🙂 That was an Aaj Tak viewer level comment!!
The Indian aerospace technological complex is trailing Russia and China within the Asian sphere but they are considerably ahead of Japan, SoKo or Israel. The reality is nuanced.
“Again there is no connection between piston-engined/glider/low regime aircraft and aviation success – the facts deny the reality you are painting.”
What facts deny it? I just gave clear examples of transition from piston to jets in Diamond Aircraft and others.
Your argument is this – ‘HAL is a big company therefore our Aerospace industry is better than Japan!’ What are you talking about? Japan designed and makes Mitsubishi Space Jet, Kawasaki P-1, Kawasaki C-2, Shinmawya US-2s…
Just because HAL has a captive customer does not mean it is superior. I will believe in HAL’s greatness when anyone other than India starts buying their things. Also, ADA designs the Tejas, HAL uses jugaad, plywood jigs to make them.
Indian government had ordered well over 300 LSAs in last 2 decades. That is more than enough to kick start domestic players. If we had a private champion they might have grown into a competition to atrocities like NAL’s (actually Myasishchev) Saras and 10 million USD a pop!! HAL(actually Ruag) Do 228s. If so many private companies in Czech Republic can do it why can’t we?
Design, testing, manufacture and induction of 4th generation jets and helicopters is the peak of aerospace prowess. This is also the reason why these aircraft per piece are more costlier than gliders, piston engined and light aircraft.
I am using the standard accepted financial analysis to compare sizes of companies. Both Flight Global and James have ranked aerospace companies using the same.
Just humor me – how does everyone agree that Reliance is as big a company as Dupont? Financial metrics and ratios.
Your metric of “I will believe if….” is self serving. That’s not a good comparison for the defence industry. In fact, the American Defense Act prohibits acquisition of arms from foreign suppliers. So it’s the same for a lot of nations.
Again your comments on HAL manufacturing are widely off the mark. The IAF is a very exacting customer and a premier organisation in Asia – they have way more modern battle experience than the Japanese or the Chinese.
Yes that’s a good start! HAL ranks no 37 in the list for 2019 and that was before the 83 Tejas Mk1a FOC build was signed.
Mitsubishi – includes revenue for shipbuilding, air-conditioning, tanks, construction equipment and space launch vehicles. So not an apple to apple comparison. Still a worthy contender – good business jets and a new 5th gen aircraft (X2) in pipeline. No 4th gen plane in portfolio currently!
Panasonic – makes inflight avionics and entertainment. Not really aerospace core!
Hanwa Aerospace – gas turbine manufacturer for business jets – but again no major builder.
HAL is the only solid major specialising in raw materials to final aircraft assembly. Mitsubishi is the only true contender and they have all sorts of businesses – even space launch. Add ISRO’s assets to HAL and you will have a giant.
“Mitsubishi – includes revenue for shipbuilding, air-conditioning, tanks, construction equipment and space launch vehicles.”
No it does not. Mitsubishi’s overall revenue is in the tune of 25 Billion USD, not the 6.5 billion listed here. Same for Kawasaki and others.
“So not an apple to apple comparison. Still a worthy contender – good business jets and a new 5th gen aircraft (X2) in pipeline. No 4th gen plane in portfolio currently!”
Technically F-2 is ‘based on’ F-16. Also there was the indigenous F-1 which can be called 4th gen if people insist on calling our western designed HAL built Jaguars 4th gen.
You are missing IHI and Kawasaki!!
Hanwa Aerospace – gas turbine manufacturer for business jets – but again no major builder.
HAL too assembles(builds?) western designed engines.
HAL is the only solid major specialising in raw materials to final aircraft assembly. Mitsubishi is the only true contender and they have all sorts of businesses – even space launch.
No there is KAI+Hanhwa, and there is IHI+Kawasaki too.
Add ISRO’s assets to HAL and you will have a giant.
Add it and revenues still won’t go up by much.
Mitsubishi, IHI, Hanwa, Kawasaki, KAI – all of them do not have a 4th gen+ aircraft in their portfolio – by which I mean composite, quadruplex fbw driven, glass cockpit enabled craft. They have a trainer and F15/F16 license production from LM/Boeing. They do bits and pieces. Only Russia, China and India do this.
Japan, SoKo and Israel are all US allies and the Master keeps them under tight control – lest they develop their own capabilities. Tejas is in a different class.
Shashank
3 years ago
@Razib, you can start with Richard Eaton’s book of “India in Persianate Age” for leftist propaganda and Islamist view. RC Majumdar for Centrist view and Sitaram Goyal on Hindu’s view.
Akhi P.
3 years ago
For Mughal resources, I’ve used the following books: “India Before Europe,” “Islamic Gunpowder Empires,” “Akbar: The Great Mughal,” “The Mughal Throne,” “The Last Mughal,” and “The Empire of the Great Mughals” (by Annemarie Schimmel). All are available in the US mostly through Amazon, and I’ve used them all extensively for my own research. I found the first two, India before Europe and Islamic Gunpowder Empires especially interesting for their comparative perspective.
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Enigma
3 years ago
This “Wounded Civilization” narrative is destined to Fail. Modi thumps his chest about Indigenous Pride but in the end he still wears victimhood on his sleeves with that “1200 years of Slavery” Cuck Mindset.
A corollary is the “indians can finally hold their heads up with pride” narrative which is more reflective of the complexes these people carry. What sort of person was previously ashamed and predicated their love of country on global prestige?
You cannot overcome the past, unless you acknowledge and address it.
Modi is an embodiment of a truly indigenous leader. Not speaking from any genetic standpoint but cultural one. He is an unashamed proud dharmic. And he is wise enough to mention how dharmic peoples were discriminated against for some time, in their own homelands.
There’s a difference between acknowledging the past and using it concoct a perpetual Victim-Hood Complex. What’s exactly the point in wallowing in a Civilizational Self-Pity? Brits don’t cry about how they were invaded&conquered by the Normans, the Chinese don’t cry about the Mongols but Indians(specifically the ones from the North) center their Nationalist Narrative around the Islamic Conquests of India. I mean, it makes sense why Muslims would do that. Why are the Hindu Nationalists doing that!?
modi’s acknowledgement of his people’s victimhood is just training a generation in non-accountability and fecklessness. He’s perfected screwing up and being forgiven by his performative empathy. So embarrassingly weak. Character is everything, regarding individuals or nations.
That’s quite harsh but you are right, it’s a cucked mindset that is always reacting to this perceived slight. Unfortunately, if one views Hindu groups as some kind of a united religion (in history) striving against Muslim and European ‘colonizers’, there is no way out of explaining away the ”12 centuries of slavery”. Hard to see any other examples of a united nation/civilization being ‘enslaved’ for 12 centuries straight by ‘foreigners’.
Once the colonization is complete, not sure whats there to be hurt about. For example who do u see hurt in United states about the colonization. The native americans or the rest?
Only around the places where there is incomplete colonization or resurfacing of native ideas will there be clashes.
Nothing of the sort happened in the Middle East or in India what happened to Native Americans at the hands of the Europeans. Besides the natives are still hurting and live in reserves in their own home because they were actually colonized and brutalized. I think Indians use the term ‘colony’ lightly, perhaps for mass shock effect due to the word’s current connotation with the past. India was only ever really colonized by Europeans, others before were either conquerors that stayed and ruled, or plunderers that plundered and returned, not exactly colonizers. I don’t see how the Middle East is similar, changing religion does not mean one was colonized. People change religions all the time. Indians today speak English, or aspire to, wear western clothing or aspire to, follow a Western political and judicial system, and even have adopted Western morality en masse. This could be considered a continuation of their European colonization by some. Just retaining the caste system of marriages or having your own country is not enough, by your own logic.
@Saurav
Lay low, egg them on and don’t share, silently hog as much as possible. People forget over time.
Saaris, Hindustani music, classical dance… are now thought to be 100% Republic of Indian, next up is Urdu shayari, Pakistanis anyways don’t read-write enough books, we already own Bangla. We have the forests, we have all the wildlife, we have almost all the interesting culture and monuments, we have the temples and we have the Taj Mahal, heck we even have BaraiIley, Deoband and Qadian. Eeehheeehawhawhawwww…
With time, relative weakening of Arabs and Hindutva pressure, Indian Muslims will start differentiating themselves more and more. We already have all the really juicy bits of Indian subcontinent’s Islamic centers.
All the substantial things will be ours, the ephemerous kitschy shararas others can keep. Never do sem-2-sem, don’t share stuff/identity, hog, hog, hog. Possession is nine-tenth the law, even more so for poorly-read people.
If anything, even the rustic Indian Muslims have become more and more Arabicized and Anglicized..Many were fervent Indian nationalists before, but Modiji has put an end to it. Urdu is pretty much dying in India while flourishing in Pakistan, I don’t think India has produced anything good in Urdu Shayari for quite some time, most of the good stuff is actually coming from Pakistani Punjab of all places. Rest of the stuff, you can keep it, trash it, do whatever.. who cares. Taj Mahal or Tejo Mahalya, we don’t care. And Dar ul Uloom Deoband in India has not been relevant to Pakistan for more than 40 years now. We don’t have a Hindu problem in Pakistan, but you do have a Muslim problem in India. Good luck dealing with it, we will make sure to chime in every now and then 😛
“If anything, even the rustic Indian Muslims have become more and more Arabicized and Anglicized.”
Anglicized is good. Dhan Dhan Elon Sadhguru ki kripa se Arabized will go away.
“Many were fervent Indian nationalists before, but Modiji has put an end to it.”
Nah. Ones with constipation today have always had bowel issues, its mostly time pass.
“Urdu is pretty much dying in India while flourishing in Pakistan, I don’t think India has produced anything good in Urdu Shayari for quite some time, most of the good stuff is actually coming from Pakistani Punjab of all places.”
Also check Urdu Academies. We have money, better educated people, taste, people who actually read and publish books.
thoda toh effort mara karo reply mein, Sheen Kaaf Nizam, Krishna Kumar Toor, Rahman Abbas, many many others…
“Rest of the stuff, you can keep it, trash it, do whatever.. who cares.”
Punch thodi naa rahe hain.
“And Dar ul Uloom Deoband in India has not been relevant to Pakistan for more than 40 years now.”
Who said anything about relevance in Pakistan? No need for relevance just prestige and pedigree for the day when religions of the world become toothless, when men become chiknis softies, and women shall color their hair purple for ‘aurat march’.
I am anti-strategy pro-hardwork and pro-long-hours, therefore pro big-wall and no-contact between India-Pakistan more so now that we need to digest delicious Kashmir completely for a couple of decades, other than chiming in via Afghanistan every now and then ?
I am sorry to say but academies to promote a language is usually for languages that are dying or in the process of dying out. Regardless, its only good for us that Urdu flourishes in India because it just increases our soft power as we are producing the better material in it and we speak it better now, unadulterated with rustic rural languages you guys call Hindi these days. As for prestige of Dar ul Uloom Deoband, most of the international madrassa students now come to Pakistan, Iran or Saudi Arabia, not India.
//No need for relevance just prestige and pedigree for the day when religions of the world become toothless, when men become chiknis softies, and women shall color their hair purple for ‘aurat march’.//
That is surely India’s fate, but our birth rate is proof enough that we have avoided the cancer of feminism. Long may it continue.
I agree with you on the futility of sem2sem. It’s mostly one sided though, and that side is not our side 😛
“Nothing of the sort happened in the Middle East or in India what happened to Native Americans at the hands of the Europeans.”
Wouldn’t the judge of that really be the people who were colonized? Sure Pakistanis may feel different for whatever reasons. But that does not mean other ethncities have to share the same feeling.
“Indians today speak English, or aspire to, wear western clothing or aspire to, follow a Western political and judicial system, and even have adopted Western morality en masse. This could be considered a continuation of their European colonization by some.”
If we take that standard, than almost all of asia and africa is still colonized. Why just the ex- colonized space, China or Nepal which were never colonized would also fall in the same bracket. Also dont talk like some white person as India is just caste+curry or something. We know that Pakistan is just not terrorism. We know our countries are more than that.
The ironic part is the vast majority of the folks who suffered under the 12 century of slavery think that they were the ones conquering.
Anonymous
3 years ago
@Qureishi
I’d be curious to know how does the average pakistani see themselves as the “conqueror”? Weren’t majority of positions reserved for Central Asians and Afghans? If you take the average Pakistani, they were the discriminated lot.
I’ve also read Mughals had explicit quota like policies for not enlisting “Hinds” which included Indian Muslims as well. I’m always astounded at the level of mental gymnastics one has to perform to start calling Pakistanis as conquerors. The word “Cuck” mentality unironically applies to Pakistanis who espouse this opinion, unless all of this is just to get a rise out of Indians, in which case it makes sense.
I’m not trolling, looking to understand the thought process.
this was interesting.
Habib warned Indian Muslims against nostalgia for the medieval past, when the rulers were of their faith. As he remarked: “The position of the Indian Musalmans in the middle ages was, if a very rough simile be allowed, not unlike Indian Christians during the British period.” Ruler and ruled might worship the same god; but in everything else they were separate and different.
An analysis of the officers of the Moghul and the pre-Moghul governments of Delhi will reveal the plain and sad fact that Muslims of Indian birth were rigidly excluded from the higher military and civil offices of the state. An Indian Muslim had as little chance of becoming a warlord of the Empire of Delhi as a Hindu Sudra had of ascending a Rajasthan throne.”
“India was subject to 24 major famines between 1850 and 1899 and millions died of starvation … these tragedies were caused by a lack of accountability in an undemocratic regime”
closely followed by
“great prosecutions of British misrule in India are off-base”
These two together make no sense.
” India’s poverty in the 20th century had more to do with the fact that its economic basis, subsistence agriculture, did not change much from the 18th century.”
Who was supposed to take care of this?
“but European nations without extensive colonies also underwent rapid development in the 19th century.”
All this is hindsight and those Euros had the benefit of trading with neighbors rich with loot.
“There was no need for transfer of wealth from India to Britain”
And yet there was so much effort.
Historians have a way to justify everything. Everyone was a bumbling idiot despite them literally making wars and losing men to achieve clearly stated goals.
She is doing what Muslim leaders do. Taking control of economy and power from the hands of common people and concentrating it in the hands of a few. In a nutshell she is creating a feudal Bengal again as it was before the British. The entire economic and intellectual prowess will be squeezed into the Calcutta Bhadralok. She has been successful post poll violence as napunsak bjp didn’t do anything. Had it been under Indira Gandhi or Congress, it would have been different- A President rule would have been imposed, NSG commanders sent to Calcutta and cleared “drains” of Bengal. This government is so napunsak that the Judges who recused are liable for impeachment won’t be impeached by the Parliament.
HMS Defender Versus the Russian Military: the Danger of Believing Your Own Propaganda
In a shockingly provocative move, the UK’s HMS Defender purposely sailed into Crimean territorial waters on its way to Georgia.
Press reports suggest that there was a dispute between the UK defense and foreign ministries over whether to violate Russia’s claimed territorial waters with a heavily armed warship. According to reports, Prime Minister Boris Johnson himself jumped in to over-rule the more cautious Foreign Office in favor of confrontation.
As Johnson later claimed, because the UK (and the US) does not recognize Russian sovereignty over Crimea, the UK was actually sailing through Ukrainian waters. It was an in-your-face move toward Russia just weeks after the US and NATO were forced to back down from a major clash with Russia in eastern Ukraine
This time, as was the case in eastern Ukraine, the Russians took a different view of the situation. Russian coast guard vessels ordered the HMS Defender to exit Russian territorial waters – an order they punctuated with rare live fire of cannon and dropping of bombs.
Having had their bluff called, the UK government did what all governments do best: it lied. The Russians did not shoot at a UK warship, they claimed. It was a previously-scheduled Russian military exercise in the area.
Unfortunately for the UK government, in its haste to create good propaganda about standing up to Russia, they had a BBC reporter on-board the Defender who spilled the beans: Yes, the Russian military did issue several warnings, yes it did buzz the HMS Defender multiple times, and yes there were shots fired in the Defender’s direction.
I do stand with the community. They are harassed in Pak Britian Canada by the same jihadis. Infact Syro Malabar Church- Nasrani Christians are also standing up against jihadist in Kerala along with Hindus we need to support them too.
Indian Silicon Valley Democrat Ro Khanna Pushes For ‘Brown’ Reparations Against Interest of Whites
What Qualifies As ‘Brown’?
Democrat California Congressman Ro Khanna is subtly trying to widen the net for possible racial reparations in the United States of America. In a tweet, Khanna called for reparations for “black and brown” people, leaving us to wonder: what kinds of brown people does he want to give reparations to? Is he talking about all Hispanics? How much would that cost? Is he including Indians like himself? Is he including Kamala Harris, who hails from a high-caste Brahmin family? Does Ro Khanna envision a future in which white plumbers in Nebraska pay reparations to elite Indian immigrants in Silicon Valley? HERE IS RO KHANNA’S RACIALLY-CHARGED TWEET.
Ro Khanna tweeted, “When we talk about targeted reparations, we’re talking about providing Black and Brown communities the same opportunities to build generational wealth that white families have.” Fascinating! Ro Khanna comes from a politically-active Indian family. He is the son of immigrants from India including a chemical engineer father who was educated both in India and the United States. Khanna now represents tech-rich Silicon Valley, which is driving the push for Indian migration to the U.S. 77 percent of Indian people in the United States reportedly voted for Democrat Hillary Clinton in the 2016 presidential election, according to polling. The publication Unherd ran a very revealing article headlined, “How Brahmins lead the fight against white privilege,” describing how elite Indians embrace “radical” leftist politics in America. Ro Khanna, it should be noted, infamously crossed paths with Fang Fang, the suspected Chinese spy paramour of Eric Swalwell. Fang Fang worked as a Ro Khanna campaign volunteer.
I was reading Enigma’s comment and all the surprised interjections to it. What did Modi say exactly?
…..barah sau saal ki gulami ki maansikta humein pareshaan kar rahi hai. Bahut baar humse thoda ooncha vyakti mile, to sar ooncha karke baat karne ki hamari takat nahin hoti hai…
He said this on the floor of the Parliament on June 9, 2014.
Now the word Ghulam in Urdu is a loan from Arabic which means a assistant, boy, helper or servant. It does not mean slave literally – there are hundreds of people named Ghulam in a religious manner that implies “servitude to the Lord”.
In this specific instance, he uses “maansikta” which clarifies the use of the former – so he is referring to a “philosophy of servitude”. Not slavery. You can be a high ranking intellectual but still be servile.
The second sentence refers to the lack of a spine. He is not talking about slavery but the attitude of servitude that pervades every Indian field.
The inability to contest foreign narratives is a sore point with many modern Asian civilization-states. Chinese talk about a “century of humiliation”. The Japanese talk about the forced pacification after WW2.
Imposed narratives (AIT is empirical, socialism is good, Caste system is bad, Islam brings peace, Eurocentric values are best) have to be met with counter currents. Irrespective of whether that narrative has inherent value or not.
There is a Sinic pole, a Nippon centre and definitely an Indic Central. These are long term games that must be played. Examples – Non aligned Movement, electronic voting machines, Rote learning.
Indians support religious tolerance, but prefer to live & marry within community: Pew survey
Prats
3 years ago
I think by the end of the century, Pakistan will be a bigger power than India.
By 2050, Putin will be dead. Russian influence, whatever remains of it in Central Asia would have waned. Russia itself would be up for grabs. China ideally would be best placed to take up Russian territory. But China would be an ageing society by then. It would be rich but old.
Pakistan on the other hand would still be young and vibrant and somewhat prosperous – the jewel in the crown of the Chinese empire. The rest of the world would know of Pakistan’s special place in the world. China’s oldest and deepest ally.
China will initially employ Pakistanis as foot soldiers to conquer Russia. They’d also give the latter a free hand in Central Asia, along with technology and capital.
There’d also be a mass migration of Pakistanis to China. Pakistani facial features, especially the north-western ones would be in huge demand there. Over a few decades a layer of highly professional Pakistanis will establish themselves in the Chinese society, with deep connections with their co-ethnics back in the homeland.
This Pakistani network will over time begin to exert influence on Chinese policy as well, aligning it further and further to Pakistan’s interests. Over time, the relationship between the two countries might even invert.
Pakistan, on its part will stop to worry too much about India and Kashmir as it would expand outward from the Hindukush. Once Pakistanis stop expending useless energy on India, they’d be able to focus more on their country. There will be rapid development of human capital thanks to Islamic stress on equality of man. Pakistanis which will eagerly lap up all the knowhow coming in from China.
This will further Pakistani influence on Central Asia, till it becomes the pre-eminent power there. by 2150, you could travel to Astana and expect to be greeted in Urdu. You might even take offence if someone doesn’t respond to you in the beautiful tongue.
At this point, the India-Pakistan rivalry would become history. Mainly because India, if such a thing even exists at that point, will be too old and weak a society to do anything. Pakistan would conquer Kashmir in a jiffy. It could conquer the whole of India but it will realise that ruling over such a messy land is not worth the effort. So it’d just put some sanctions on India to prevent India from ever growing again. India will eventually crumble. No territory of that name would exist.
A century beyond that, Pakistan, realising that the Indus flows through it and the name ‘India’ holds some historic romance with it, will take up the name for itself.
And that’s how India will come to rule from Arabian Sea to the Arctic Ocean.
I didn’t intend for this to turn out like a copypasta when I started writing it but now that it has, please feel free to post it without attribution on forums like defence.pk and other places where people unironically talk about fifth generation warfare.
India’s muslim problem will make so many babies and the coward, confused Hindu raised on low-protein diet will keep taking the easier routw when confronted. Just look at how it was out-maneuvered in Afghanistan. Eventually Pakistan will establish protectorate muslim states in six places across India: Kashmir, Rohillakhand, Kerala, Hyderabad, Bengal and Assam. There will be no outright conquering of Delhi as its Pakistani client muslim population will run the show in rest of India. Verile pakistanis, having gained lebensraum in central asia and being rich and all would just like to manage the mess that would be India. Each of the Pakistani colonies in India would serve some ‘geostrategic’ interest of Pakistan, for example, Calcutta would rival the then superpower Bangladesh. This is what the map of Akhand Bharat would look like btw, but it would be Pakistan which would take over the India/Bharat name like prats said: https://brilliantmaps.com/first-pakistan/
Gandhar, Kamboj and Indus people shall reign supreme due to their ‘geostrategy’.
My prediction is that in mid 2100s a cold war could start between pakistan and the world’s other superpower, the resurrected ottomon empire (which would control most of europe and middle east by that point). The one who would win this cold war would go on to convert the whole world to islam.( btw, you guys forgot about khalistan and pakistan’s future colony in europe – londonistan. The latter would be a big friction point during the cold war)
It’s a good proposition but Pakistan isn’t Central Asian even if they want to imitate them. They don’t possess required intellect and economic prowess to do so. They are running a mediaeval feudal empire just like Turkic hordes but still not able to achieve their level of extraction. My best wishes to Pakistan surviving next 50 years and already facing colonial threats from China.
Aarti Tikoo, a Kashimiri Hindu whose family was displaced, has strong words for the Modi govt as they are backpedalling on Kashmir. Essentially returning to a failed previous policy of meeting with islamists and soft seperatists. The cancellation of 370 and the re-integration of Kashmir is now slowly being abandoned and it’s the legacy of families like Tikoo’s which is being buried and betrayed.
Arun Shourie was right: BJP is nothing but Congress + Cow.
Obviously Biden and Harris.
Once a symbolic offering has been made, back to the new normal.
Whatever his other faults, Modi has solved Kashmir. He is 80% Patel and 20% Nehru where as Vajpayee was 20% Patel and 80% Nehru. BJP is S V B Patel ji’s Congress.
Now is the time to shift goalposts, make Afghanistan the new Kashmir.
Re Afghanistan I just mean in terms of doing ‘kadi ninda’ and other BS to keep Pakistanis busy and waste time, not some convoluted geostrategy.
Meanwhile Indian allies in Afghanistan are falling like nine pins.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/ncna1272236
Like I said, ‘Hum iski kadi ninda karte hain.’
I think India’s influence as well as the importance of Afghanistan (for India) were over hyped. Perhaps we started believing it ourselves. With Iran-US tensions, India had to choose one side over other, and without Iran , Afghanistan-India was dead in water. Though even when the going was good , i was skeptical of financial benefits of central Asian pipelines and trade.
Be that as it may, India’s best bet is a sort of power shared Afghanistan, which in my view still achievable, and perhaps be the final settlement.
eventually the northern alliance will be resurrected in some form, this time americans also supporting it. i feel americans could have hived off a non pastun area in the north like the kurdistan in iraq. this would have been sensible. british would have done this, based on their experience!!!
People’s Daily reports on southeast Asian genomics
http://finance.people.com.cn/n1/2021/0625/c1004-32140919.html
https://swarajyamag.com/ideas/how-indian-railways-is-leading-the-way-in-reducing-the-nations-carbon-footprint
How Indian Railways Is Leading The Way In Reducing The Nation’s Carbon Footprint
https://theprint.in/neye/this-assam-masons-dream-to-fly-a-seaplane-is-powered-by-a-220cc-motorcycle-engine/684893/
This Assam mason’s dream to fly a seaplane is powered by a 220cc motorcycle engine
Too many things that can go wrong. But good effort. Another effort like this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QF4XFVwuI_E&t=144s
Jugaad + aviation = tragedy.
I have never dabbled with ICEs but the general idea is that aircrat ICEs (think Rotax or Lycoming) can produce high power for a long time without overheating. Also 20hp is measly, with a home made propeller even the conversion would not be efficient.
This was India’s only real hope in General Aviation. Very sad.
https://www.ainonline.com/aviation-news/general-aviation/2020-11-20/gippsaero-shuts-down-airvan-manufacturing
Do these light planes have much of a future with electric aerial mobility coming up in a big way and probably hydrogen in a decade or two?
Not these ones. India just does not have the ecosystem for aviation. Forget Western Europe, North America and Russia even places like Chech Republic and South Africa have it better.
In VTOL the champion is Joby which has been valued at $6.5 Billion USD. Other big ones include Lilium and Volocopter from Germany, Ehang from China/Singapore and Airbus. There are tens of similar companies mostly in the US.
In passenger airliner space there is Heart Aerospace from Sweden who are making a big ass plane and Eviation from Israel.
In puny normal electric airplanes there are many but Pipistrel from Slovenia is the first mover. In making electric motors for aircraft MagniX has lead but Siemens and Safran are getting into electric aircraft motors and they are beasts I would not mess with.
India’s only serious hope in GA was Gippsland Aero of Mahindra. We have eplane.ai and ubifly from India which are making electric VTOL planes. Maybe they can pull something off.
India just does not have the ecosystem for aviation.
What will it take to evolve such an ecosystem?
Seems to me that a lot of the pioneering work in aviation has been done by hobbyists or small boostrapped startups going back to the invention of the airplane.
Even the different kinds of jet-packs that are now coming up by the likes of Gravity or Zapata started off as hobby projects.
We have eplane.ai and ubifly from India which are making electric VTOL planes.
I think eplane and ubifly are the same. I know the eplane founder. They have an interesting plan. Let’s see if they can execute. It’s going to get real competitive real fast. Indian government is going to be found sleeping again as far as regulations and incentives are concerned.
Do they use it as fuel for turbojets or in fuel cells? Hydrogen+ planes reminds me of Hindenburg.
Hydrogen is much safer now than back then. Check out the company Universal Hydrogen.
Btw Motabhai announced a large green hydrogen plant in the Reliance AGM last week.
The Indian government is pretty keen to get in on green hydrogen early. They missed the bus on lithium by a long margin and are having to play catch-up. So pre-empting this one. But it’s very dependent on being able to maintain the cheap solar rates that we have now, that is in turn dependent on cheap imports of PV cells from China.
Becoming energy independent is hard.
Small aircraft companies tend to be centered around one crazy guy. Think Luigi Pascale of Partenavia and Tecnam, Ivo Boscarlo of Pipistrel, Sling from South Africa, Bob Barrows of Bearhawk, Chris Heintz of Zenith and many many more. Usually when companies end up in corporate hands fuck-ups happen.
Indians being a darponk people do not produce such eccentrics in large numbers. People who love flying and would not do anything to else even for money. Also our general level of engineering competence is pathetic, try remembering about the last time anyone near you got a CNC milled part fabricated or even fixed their own car or motorcycle. Our mean value is low and that drags the 3sigma tails down where the action really happens. Aviation is costly and Indians don’t have money.
On top level I think Americans and the French have love of aviation in their hearts and minds. They see the beauty in it over the utility. France has spent >USD 100 billion on Rafales. For comparison India has spent less than 3 Billion combined on all Tejas related activities including the jet engine.
Others like Brazil, China, Russia, Canada do it because what else to do? And they have big countries.
We are too far behind, don’t have the engineers to put things together, don’t have users who can give feedback, don’t have expertise in making components. General aviation is a a lawsuit heavy field with low volumes so I don’t think we will ever make it. Indian armed forces could have announced in advance that they were going to buy $20 million worth of 200 LSAs a few years ago and asked domestic companies to design something. When people do things they learn. But Indian defence people being the tooti-angregi, self absorbed, mig-21 shot down flying aces they are just don’t see it. They want big systems first.
On jetpacks like Gravity and Zapata I am sure a tender will come 20 years from now from IA asking for a system to be delivered within 5 months on ’emergency’ basis. These IA acquisition fuckers are so stupid. They wasted a decade dillydallying on Tata Kestrel and now will buy some Russian light tank. IAF flies maybe 7 separate fighters!! Armed forces leadership are the most over-rated people in India, closely followed by our judiciary.
I am sure USAF is paying Joby below the table. Ubifly should be supported aggressively by Indian government, there is definitely a market in offshore resupply. Maybe with electric propulsion there will be no thin-air problems that come with jets operating at higher altitude.
Hydrogen plan seems like a very good step. Much bigger than aviation. Fingers crossed.
Being from batti background I don’t know much about hydrogen powered planes. Do they use it as fuel for turbojets or in fuel cells? Hydrogen+ planes reminds me of Hindenburg.
Why has Pakistan failed to extend its influence into the central asian -stan countries ?
Sees like an alliance / special trade zone of sorts would benefit everyone.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xipS91mvXEE
When Pakistan tried to become a superpower
Not enough time passed after the fall of Soviet Union when 9/11 happened so those plans were shelved. I think that is eventually the long term goal of the Pakistani establishment, but Afghanistan needs to be stabilized first before dabbling with Central Asia.
“Why has Pakistan failed to extend its influence into the central asian -stan countries ?”
Relations with Iran have been complicated by Iran being Shia, as well as Pakistan’s close relationship with Saudi Arabia and the United States.
Relations with Afghanistan have been complicated by the porous border that many in Afghanistan dispute, as well as Afghanistan being very underdeveloped due to the constant wars, terrorism, and all sorts of conflicts.
I’d like to know about some not so well known or hidden gems when it comes to travel and culture around the subcontinent that some of the contributors here may like to share – it could be their home towns or places they visited and think more people should know about.
I’ll start with the Gajapati district of Odisha – the eastern ghats there are largely untouched and while the tourist infrastructure isn’t great, there are some good forest homestays. The tribals are surprisingly friendly and welcome you into their homes easily and readily share their food and locally made mohuli drink that is sweet and intoxicating. There’s a small Tibetan settlement in Jiranga and a large Padmasambhava monastery that wouldn’t look out of place in Sikkim, surrounded as it is by green hills all around. A really underrated state that I hope more people get to know beyond the Puri-Konark belt.
https://www.reddit.com/r/IndiaSpeaks/comments/o81zw4/ah_those_bengalis_of_east_pakistan_they_are_not/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=mweb
Like I said. Pakistan is nothing more than a radical Islam infused biradri ethnosupremacist hijacking of an ashraf power consolidation project. There were genocidal tendencies from the start, stemming from a deep hatred.
https://twitter.com/ShefVaidya/status/1408436439654682626?s=20
Disgusting. Not shocking for India’s top ISIS recruitment state. Radical islamic terror must be stopped in Kerela.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.aljazeera.com/amp/news/2021/6/25/taliban-gains-drive-afghan-government-to-recruit-militias
They are trying to pull a Mexico, arming the local farmers against the cartels. Worked a bit here and there but the cartels still grow stronger. There have been reports of dead former Pak soldiers among the Taliban and retired commanders. In some ways, this is a war between Afghanistan and quasi proxy of Pak. The proxy has rogue tendencies though…
https://www.hindustantimes.com/india-news/farmers-protest-may-be-sabotaged-by-pakistan-s-isi-alerts-intel-report-101624670135184-amp.html?__twitter_impression=true
Good work Indian security. I hope there is no terrorist attack coordinated by the ISI. Sadly, it is a low cost to the transgressor to commit strikes via terrorist proxies. It is anything but discouraged by the Machievillian forces in such an on and off tense situation.
The Afganistan and US stick and carrot points are interesting.
https://amp.scmp.com/week-asia/politics/article/3138633/whats-behind-modis-surprise-talks-kashmir-leaders-pakistan-china
https://amp.scmp.com/news/china/military/article/3138824/chinese-military-steps-training-along-disputed-indian-border
Yeah. They want all out war. Plain and simple. They are nothing more than the new Evil Empire.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/news.yahoo.com/amphtml/indian-american-journalist-wins-pulitzer-173018495.html
Excellent!
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.hindustantimes.com/world-news/pakistan-remains-on-fatf-s-grey-list-101624624315404-amp.html
Yup
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9718299/amp/Manhunt-four-men-kidnap-pregnant-woman-25-rape-hours-long-ordeal-Greece.html
In the midst of Immy Khan’s rape apologism, you get a nice dose of this. Mirrors behavior in the UK quite nicely.
I watched the blog. The comments about PPP and nominal per capita were rather reductionist, I say!! Long form explanations aren’t grounds for disqualification, maybe to disinterested outsiders – yes – but to a good student – it will reveal layers. Kind of like not knowing the difference between autosomal, Y and mtDNA.
If I measured the temperature of everyday objects separately in different units – Kelvin and Celsius and Fahrenheit – and displayed the results to observers – the novices in the crowd might be inclined to think one of the objects is much much hotter than the rest. @principia, pay attention!
So, there is only one country in the world whose nominal GDP per capita and PPP are exactly same – that is the US. If we measured world GDP in rupees or taka – we would have different numbers and different variances between the countries.
Now here is the kicker – if we did measure nominal GDP in rupees, India’s would be higher than BD. If we did the same with taka, India would still be ahead. Or for that matter, any other currency – Euro, Yen or Pesos.
With dollars, it inverts because BD has invested an exceptionally high proportion of its economy in providing exports to the US. Real world implication is that almost all of BD’s foreign exchange is traded with the US.
We use a infrared theromometer to measure but the device is only showing the skin temperature. If you are grilling steaks and measuring with the help of a IR Gun – then they WILL come out undercooked. The skin is way hotter than the internals.
The BD economy has several components – only one of them (textiles) presents an high value to the nominal GDP (dollar) tool while the rest are way cooler, underperforming or lagging.
Broad spectrum data proves this in every field you can think of. Very simple example – BD does not yet have a single km of an operational urban rail metro system. Pakistan has 27 kms, India has 760 kms and China has 6100 kms.
This is not to nitpick – but BD planners have been self-aware of this extreme dependence for quite some. In 2013, they proposed a common currency for South Asia – which will benefit them in monetary terms.
https://economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/politics-and-nation/bangladesh-pitches-for-common-currency-for-south-asia/articleshow/19867653.cms?from=mdr
The real question – was the intensive textile focus an outcome of multi-generational factors or a planned outcome? I think it was the former – the Bengal region was always famous for textile exports right from the 18th century. But they were linked to the Indian hinterland and were much more economically robust. Now they have separated from Pakistan and are now back to focussing on their core competence. But they will have to integrate on other levels at some point!
Which is why I am reasonably confident that a Bangladesh – India Union (monetary first, political later) will happen in the coming decades. Failure to do so will accelerate their inclusion into the single sector political-economies – Arab (Oil), Malaysia (Palm Oil), Maldives (Tourism) etc.
The Brown People need to prepare for Akhand Bharat!
1) you use ‘reducitionist’ like the midwit you are
2) you shouldn’t make an analogy to DNA. you don’t know much about it and routinely fuck shit up
https://m.economictimes.com/industry/cons-products/durables/hero-cycles-delivers-first-batch-of-made-in-india-e-bikes-to-europe/amp_articleshow/83869270.cms
Hero Cycles delivers first batch of made-in-India e-bikes to Europe
https://m.economictimes.com/news/economy/foreign-trade/china-is-now-second-largest-export-partner-of-india/amp_articleshow/83851116.cms
China is now second largest export partner of India
Indian Bar Association Sues WHO for Lying About Ivermectin and Killing Indians — Will Fauci and CDC Be Next?
The Indian Bar Association (IBA) sued WHO Chief Scientist Dr. Soumya Swaminathan on May 25, accusing her in a 71-point brief of causing the deaths of Indian citizens by misleading them about Ivermectin. There is also an updated legal notice on June 13, 2021.
Point 56 states, “That your misleading tweet on May 10, 2021, against the use of Ivermectin had the effect of the State of Tamil Nadu withdrawing Ivermectin from the protocol on May 11, 2021, just a day after the Tamil Nadu government had indicated the same for the treatment of COVID-19 patients.”
If a trial in India finds WHO Chief Scientist Dr. Soumya Swaminathan guilty then the WHO Scientist could be sentenced to death or life in prison. Dr Soumya Swaminathan would have be charged with the threatened criminal prosecution and be found guilty on one of the those charges.
The Government of Tamil Nadu has published new treatment protocols for COVID-19 patients that leaves out the use of ivermectin, which had been included in a previous version. The new protocols describe three categories of COVID-19 patients based on the level of care they need: home-based, primary care and pre-hospital care. It leaves hospital care out. The tests to determine the category to which a patient belongs are oxygen saturation (SpO2) and respiratory rate.
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2021/06/indian-bar-association-sues-lying-ivermectin-killing-indians-will-fauci-cdc-next/
It’s stupidity and a publicity stunt. India has no locus standi. The Irrational and stupid arguements made by Indians regarding India being head of Executive council is frivolous. India doesn’t fund WHO at all. Be there as it may, outrage by Indians on this matter makes no sense. WHO is a body which receives maximum funds from Bill and Melinda Gates foundation, Germany and European nations. They represent interests primarily of the United States, European Nations like Germany United Kingdom and France. IBA will not succeed though my best wishes with them
To go back to a different topic. During the brief war between Azerbaijan and Armenia and the Azeris used drones to destroy Armenian forces and defenses. Azeris were assisted by Turkey’s armed drones. Turkey also used these drones against Syrian forces near its border.
What is really curious is that is the conflict in the Galwan heights just a year back, China did not use any such tools despite having some of the best drone manufacturing companies and technology in the world. I have heard some reports say that this was because these resources were all focused on the Taiwan straights. Apparently, only now is China upgrading its military resources in the Xinjiang Military Region – this includes Ladakh – to also be able to bring to bear drones and related technologies.
But to me it is like the mystery of “the dog that did not bark”. There could be many reasons for this:
1. China may have believed that it could teach India a lesson without needing to deploy these technologies. Perhaps a miscalculation on the Chinese side.
2. Perhaps it does take a long time to integrate these tools and technologies into military C3I systems, and this deployment would have been observed by Indian and Western satellites/intelligence.
3. Third and most likely is that China did not wish to show its hand in terms of tools and techniques that it has been perfecting to bring Taiwan back under its military control. A demonstration of these technologies would have given the real adversary – the US – an opportunity to analyze and learn, and hence successfully obstruct the effectiveness of these technologies. So from a Chinese perspective, a small price to pay for pulling in its claws.
But the next conflict on the India-China border is likely to be a very different affair if China does indeed succeed in catching India napping with drone warfare.
india does spring a surprise to the opposite side as seen in recent conflicts. use of ” tanks” in the kashmir war of ’48, achieving surrender of pak forces in ’71, use of airforce in kargil, capture of heights in pangon so after being on the receiving end. so they don’t strictly play by the text book.
i feel chinese will be surprised in the next conflict.
india does spring a surprise to the opposite side as seen in recent conflicts. use of ” tanks” in the kashmir war of ’48, achieving surrender of pak forces in ’71, use of airforce in kargil, capture of heights in pangon so after being on the receiving end. so they don’t strictly play by the text book.
i feel chinese will be surprised in the next conflict.
https://swarajyamag.com/defence/1971-war-how-a-photograph-and-a-bbc-report-hastened-pakistans-surrender
An example of what you said
@Bhimrao
http://x-air.in/
How would you rate this company. The founder is french (Kalki Koechlin’s father) so it supports what you said about different country’s cultures and aviation.
He sold it to some Indian many years ago.
https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/bengaluru/flying-is-a-crime-in-india-says-former-aircraft-maker/articleshow/29786172.cms
They have fabric covered tubular construction with what seems like a non-aerospace grade fabric. Their designs look dated, I am not an Aerospace engineer but to my untrained eyes Carbon>>fabric-tubular, especially on non-bush plane applications.
Like I said, Gippsland was our only hope and it has died. India does not have the appetite for small airplanes. There are plenty of old Cessnas and Pipers for the flight schools. I have never met an Indian who owns a small airplane, there was this grad student I knew in the US who was building his own.
IAF+IA had ordered 100s of aircrafts in early 2000s and mid 2010s for NCC and casual flying. Zenith won in early 2000s and Pipistrel won in mid 2010s, massive missed opportunities for make in India. If we don’t make small airplanes and try a bunch of configurations, face failures and learn how are we ever going to build bigger ones? but the fools at IAF prancing around as experts want to leapfrog and always land on their face.
Parriker showed his engineering prowess when he forced these assholes to buy HTT 40 over imported Pilatus. I can’t understand how can they expect to build jets without ever making simpler planes?
…If we don’t make small airplanes and try a bunch of configurations, face failures and learn how are we ever going to build bigger ones?…
From a engineering and manufacturability perspective, this is not correct. Crafts operating in the lower flying regimes are completely unlike the ones that are operating in the higher regimes.
Helicopters are a ton more complex than anything in the air. And we have better products than MBB or any other Euro giant.
We also made rapid strides in jet aircraft because we have a customer (IAF) willing to buy the asset and spend a ton of money in lifetime maintenance over 40 years.
For the same reason, we have not built any small aircraft because there is no established customer base who are willing to pre-order (remember the small aircraft market is always build-to-order, not sell-from-stock).
How I wish that Sanjay Gandhi did not die in his Pitts-S2A on June 23, 1980…the only to kickstart private flying is to make the elites catch the bug. And Sanjay was doing a fine job of it – this man not only kickstarted passenger car manufacturing in India but also came close to getting rich Indians to take to the skies at a plane’s controls.
https://www.indiatoday.in/magazine/cover-story/story/19800715-sanjay-gandhi-dies-in-a-dramatic-plane-crash-his-passing-to-leave-a-political-vacuum-821253-2014-01-22
“From a engineering and manufacturability perspective, this is not correct.”
I disagree. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VI3FsHMVEec
This guy would make a far better aerospace engineer than khayali pulaavs people making jets at NAL. Having experience building Marutis translates well into building RRs or Bentleys.
“Crafts operating in the lower flying regimes are completely unlike the ones that are operating in the higher regimes.”
So what? skills from small aircraft manufacturing like working with sheet metal, doing design-trades translate over very well, look at Taneja Aerospace in India. Also tell this to Scaled Composites or Diamond Aircraft or Grob Aircraft or Pilatus, they will have a big laugh. All of them started from humble piston engine designs, played with crazy designs and now manufacture great aircrafts. I can name many others.
“And we have better products than MBB or any other Euro giant.”
This is pure fantasy. Dhruv was designed by MBB, we are >30 years behind Euros, Where is our 175, our Super Puma our Dauphin?
HAL could not even fix spin issues on Sitara and had to bring in British and American consultants, the construction quality is so poor that the canopy blew off one of them on take-off, HAL Dhruv had water leaks into cockpit during rains.
HAL Dhruv crashes more than once every year!
Among the aerospace giants of Asia, India is in the top 3 along with Russia and China. In fact, for the top 100 global aerospace companies ranked by revenue – India has a company in the 40s – which outranks countries like Japan, South Korea and Israel. Acutally Rafael outranks HAL, but Rafael is purely a munitions and electronics maker – not a builder of aircraft.
Again there is no connection between piston-engined/glider/low regime aircraft and aviation success – the facts deny the reality you are painting.
I would like Indian companies in that light category to excel – but they have no organic connection to move up the ladder. HAL proves it paradoxically!
MBB were asked to carry out a consultancy project for the gearbox and anti-resonance damping. They failed at the second. The anti-resonance damping tech is entirely HAL’s jewel in the crown and…..the HAL Mk4 looks nothing like the MK1.
The F22 crashes every year, the F35 crashes every year, Apaches crash exceedingly frequently…..whats your point? Is it your expectation? – that a competence indicator is that the aircraft never crashes 🙂 That was an Aaj Tak viewer level comment!!
The Indian aerospace technological complex is trailing Russia and China within the Asian sphere but they are considerably ahead of Japan, SoKo or Israel. The reality is nuanced.
“Again there is no connection between piston-engined/glider/low regime aircraft and aviation success – the facts deny the reality you are painting.”
What facts deny it? I just gave clear examples of transition from piston to jets in Diamond Aircraft and others.
Your argument is this – ‘HAL is a big company therefore our Aerospace industry is better than Japan!’ What are you talking about? Japan designed and makes Mitsubishi Space Jet, Kawasaki P-1, Kawasaki C-2, Shinmawya US-2s…
Just because HAL has a captive customer does not mean it is superior. I will believe in HAL’s greatness when anyone other than India starts buying their things. Also, ADA designs the Tejas, HAL uses jugaad, plywood jigs to make them.
Indian government had ordered well over 300 LSAs in last 2 decades. That is more than enough to kick start domestic players. If we had a private champion they might have grown into a competition to atrocities like NAL’s (actually Myasishchev) Saras and 10 million USD a pop!! HAL(actually Ruag) Do 228s. If so many private companies in Czech Republic can do it why can’t we?
@Bhimrao
Design, testing, manufacture and induction of 4th generation jets and helicopters is the peak of aerospace prowess. This is also the reason why these aircraft per piece are more costlier than gliders, piston engined and light aircraft.
I am using the standard accepted financial analysis to compare sizes of companies. Both Flight Global and James have ranked aerospace companies using the same.
Just humor me – how does everyone agree that Reliance is as big a company as Dupont? Financial metrics and ratios.
Your metric of “I will believe if….” is self serving. That’s not a good comparison for the defence industry. In fact, the American Defense Act prohibits acquisition of arms from foreign suppliers. So it’s the same for a lot of nations.
Again your comments on HAL manufacturing are widely off the mark. The IAF is a very exacting customer and a premier organisation in Asia – they have way more modern battle experience than the Japanese or the Chinese.
Let us have it your way:
https://www.flightglobal.com/download?ac=73039
IHI, Kawasaki, Panasonic Avionics and Mitsubishi are Japanese
Hanhwa, KAI and Korea Air are Korean.
where are your numbers?
These are numbers for aerospace businesses. Also, note that just like these guys HAL too makes avionics, aero structures, jet engines etc.
@Bhimrao
Yes that’s a good start! HAL ranks no 37 in the list for 2019 and that was before the 83 Tejas Mk1a FOC build was signed.
Mitsubishi – includes revenue for shipbuilding, air-conditioning, tanks, construction equipment and space launch vehicles. So not an apple to apple comparison. Still a worthy contender – good business jets and a new 5th gen aircraft (X2) in pipeline. No 4th gen plane in portfolio currently!
Panasonic – makes inflight avionics and entertainment. Not really aerospace core!
Hanwa Aerospace – gas turbine manufacturer for business jets – but again no major builder.
HAL is the only solid major specialising in raw materials to final aircraft assembly. Mitsubishi is the only true contender and they have all sorts of businesses – even space launch. Add ISRO’s assets to HAL and you will have a giant.
“Mitsubishi – includes revenue for shipbuilding, air-conditioning, tanks, construction equipment and space launch vehicles.”
No it does not. Mitsubishi’s overall revenue is in the tune of 25 Billion USD, not the 6.5 billion listed here. Same for Kawasaki and others.
“So not an apple to apple comparison. Still a worthy contender – good business jets and a new 5th gen aircraft (X2) in pipeline. No 4th gen plane in portfolio currently!”
Technically F-2 is ‘based on’ F-16. Also there was the indigenous F-1 which can be called 4th gen if people insist on calling our western designed HAL built Jaguars 4th gen.
You are missing IHI and Kawasaki!!
Hanwa Aerospace – gas turbine manufacturer for business jets – but again no major builder.
HAL too assembles(builds?) western designed engines.
HAL is the only solid major specialising in raw materials to final aircraft assembly. Mitsubishi is the only true contender and they have all sorts of businesses – even space launch.
No there is KAI+Hanhwa, and there is IHI+Kawasaki too.
Add ISRO’s assets to HAL and you will have a giant.
Add it and revenues still won’t go up by much.
Mitsubishi, IHI, Hanwa, Kawasaki, KAI – all of them do not have a 4th gen+ aircraft in their portfolio – by which I mean composite, quadruplex fbw driven, glass cockpit enabled craft. They have a trainer and F15/F16 license production from LM/Boeing. They do bits and pieces. Only Russia, China and India do this.
Japan, SoKo and Israel are all US allies and the Master keeps them under tight control – lest they develop their own capabilities. Tejas is in a different class.
@Razib, you can start with Richard Eaton’s book of “India in Persianate Age” for leftist propaganda and Islamist view. RC Majumdar for Centrist view and Sitaram Goyal on Hindu’s view.
For Mughal resources, I’ve used the following books: “India Before Europe,” “Islamic Gunpowder Empires,” “Akbar: The Great Mughal,” “The Mughal Throne,” “The Last Mughal,” and “The Empire of the Great Mughals” (by Annemarie Schimmel). All are available in the US mostly through Amazon, and I’ve used them all extensively for my own research. I found the first two, India before Europe and Islamic Gunpowder Empires especially interesting for their comparative perspective.
https://www.quora.com/Is-it-true-that-Punjabi-people-are-naturally-stronger-built/answer/Ahmad-Abubakr-%D8%A7%D8%AD%D9%85%D8%AF-%D8%A7%D8%A8%D9%88%D8%A8%DA%A9%D8%B1?ch=10&share=80b9a6a9&srid=u6vS8
An honest answer.
https://www.reddit.com/r/IndiaSpeaks/comments/o8t88s/the_local_sikh_community_of_jammu_and_kashmir/
Interesting
@Razib
Am presently reading this: https://global.oup.com/academic/product/the-king-and-the-people-9780190070670 .
Will be interested in hearing what you think of it if you decide to have a look.
https://theprint.in/india/ayodhya-is-ups-new-real-estate-boom-town-as-ram-mandir-brings-investors-land-prices-soar/685207/
Ayodhya is UP’s new real estate boom town as Ram Mandir brings investors, land prices soar
https://www.moneycontrol.com/news/trends/current-affairs-trends/first-ever-drone-attack-in-india-marks-dangerous-new-turning-point-in-kashmir-terror-7094161.html/amp
First-ever drone attack in India marks dangerous new turning point in Kashmir terror
https://www.news18.com/amp/news/india/india-zooms-past-us-in-number-of-vaccine-doses-administered-time-taken-lesser-by-a-month-3899222.html
India Zooms Past US in Number of Vaccine Doses Given, Time Taken Lesser by a Month
https://www.opindia.com/2021/06/bbc-water-down-terror-attack-charampanthi-terrorist/
‘Charampanthi nahin aatankwadi’: Netizens correct BBC for watering down terror attack
This “Wounded Civilization” narrative is destined to Fail. Modi thumps his chest about Indigenous Pride but in the end he still wears victimhood on his sleeves with that “1200 years of Slavery” Cuck Mindset.
A corollary is the “indians can finally hold their heads up with pride” narrative which is more reflective of the complexes these people carry. What sort of person was previously ashamed and predicated their love of country on global prestige?
You cannot overcome the past, unless you acknowledge and address it.
Modi is an embodiment of a truly indigenous leader. Not speaking from any genetic standpoint but cultural one. He is an unashamed proud dharmic. And he is wise enough to mention how dharmic peoples were discriminated against for some time, in their own homelands.
There’s a difference between acknowledging the past and using it concoct a perpetual Victim-Hood Complex. What’s exactly the point in wallowing in a Civilizational Self-Pity? Brits don’t cry about how they were invaded&conquered by the Normans, the Chinese don’t cry about the Mongols but Indians(specifically the ones from the North) center their Nationalist Narrative around the Islamic Conquests of India. I mean, it makes sense why Muslims would do that. Why are the Hindu Nationalists doing that!?
modi’s acknowledgement of his people’s victimhood is just training a generation in non-accountability and fecklessness. He’s perfected screwing up and being forgiven by his performative empathy. So embarrassingly weak. Character is everything, regarding individuals or nations.
That’s quite harsh but you are right, it’s a cucked mindset that is always reacting to this perceived slight. Unfortunately, if one views Hindu groups as some kind of a united religion (in history) striving against Muslim and European ‘colonizers’, there is no way out of explaining away the ”12 centuries of slavery”. Hard to see any other examples of a united nation/civilization being ‘enslaved’ for 12 centuries straight by ‘foreigners’.
Iran, Egypt and Mesopotamia are examples of 12 centuries+ foreign rule.
If partial ancestry is the only criteria of makings someone foriegn or native, then India is more like 35 centuries (perhaps more)
Besides, I don’t see Iran, Egyptians or Mesopotamian still hurting about it. Perhaps because they don’t see that as foreign rule.
Once the colonization is complete, not sure whats there to be hurt about. For example who do u see hurt in United states about the colonization. The native americans or the rest?
Only around the places where there is incomplete colonization or resurfacing of native ideas will there be clashes.
Nothing of the sort happened in the Middle East or in India what happened to Native Americans at the hands of the Europeans. Besides the natives are still hurting and live in reserves in their own home because they were actually colonized and brutalized. I think Indians use the term ‘colony’ lightly, perhaps for mass shock effect due to the word’s current connotation with the past. India was only ever really colonized by Europeans, others before were either conquerors that stayed and ruled, or plunderers that plundered and returned, not exactly colonizers. I don’t see how the Middle East is similar, changing religion does not mean one was colonized. People change religions all the time. Indians today speak English, or aspire to, wear western clothing or aspire to, follow a Western political and judicial system, and even have adopted Western morality en masse. This could be considered a continuation of their European colonization by some. Just retaining the caste system of marriages or having your own country is not enough, by your own logic.
@Saurav
Lay low, egg them on and don’t share, silently hog as much as possible. People forget over time.
Saaris, Hindustani music, classical dance… are now thought to be 100% Republic of Indian, next up is Urdu shayari, Pakistanis anyways don’t read-write enough books, we already own Bangla. We have the forests, we have all the wildlife, we have almost all the interesting culture and monuments, we have the temples and we have the Taj Mahal, heck we even have BaraiIley, Deoband and Qadian. Eeehheeehawhawhawwww…
With time, relative weakening of Arabs and Hindutva pressure, Indian Muslims will start differentiating themselves more and more. We already have all the really juicy bits of Indian subcontinent’s Islamic centers.
All the substantial things will be ours, the ephemerous kitschy shararas others can keep. Never do sem-2-sem, don’t share stuff/identity, hog, hog, hog. Possession is nine-tenth the law, even more so for poorly-read people.
If anything, even the rustic Indian Muslims have become more and more Arabicized and Anglicized..Many were fervent Indian nationalists before, but Modiji has put an end to it. Urdu is pretty much dying in India while flourishing in Pakistan, I don’t think India has produced anything good in Urdu Shayari for quite some time, most of the good stuff is actually coming from Pakistani Punjab of all places. Rest of the stuff, you can keep it, trash it, do whatever.. who cares. Taj Mahal or Tejo Mahalya, we don’t care. And Dar ul Uloom Deoband in India has not been relevant to Pakistan for more than 40 years now. We don’t have a Hindu problem in Pakistan, but you do have a Muslim problem in India. Good luck dealing with it, we will make sure to chime in every now and then 😛
“If anything, even the rustic Indian Muslims have become more and more Arabicized and Anglicized.”
Anglicized is good. Dhan Dhan Elon Sadhguru ki kripa se Arabized will go away.
“Many were fervent Indian nationalists before, but Modiji has put an end to it.”
Nah. Ones with constipation today have always had bowel issues, its mostly time pass.
“Urdu is pretty much dying in India while flourishing in Pakistan, I don’t think India has produced anything good in Urdu Shayari for quite some time, most of the good stuff is actually coming from Pakistani Punjab of all places.”
Nah.
https://www.urducouncil.nic.in/
Also check Urdu Academies. We have money, better educated people, taste, people who actually read and publish books.
thoda toh effort mara karo reply mein, Sheen Kaaf Nizam, Krishna Kumar Toor, Rahman Abbas, many many others…
“Rest of the stuff, you can keep it, trash it, do whatever.. who cares.”
Punch thodi naa rahe hain.
“And Dar ul Uloom Deoband in India has not been relevant to Pakistan for more than 40 years now.”
Who said anything about relevance in Pakistan? No need for relevance just prestige and pedigree for the day when religions of the world become toothless, when men become chiknis softies, and women shall color their hair purple for ‘aurat march’.
I am anti-strategy pro-hardwork and pro-long-hours, therefore pro big-wall and no-contact between India-Pakistan more so now that we need to digest delicious Kashmir completely for a couple of decades, other than chiming in via Afghanistan every now and then ?
I am sorry to say but academies to promote a language is usually for languages that are dying or in the process of dying out. Regardless, its only good for us that Urdu flourishes in India because it just increases our soft power as we are producing the better material in it and we speak it better now, unadulterated with rustic rural languages you guys call Hindi these days. As for prestige of Dar ul Uloom Deoband, most of the international madrassa students now come to Pakistan, Iran or Saudi Arabia, not India.
//No need for relevance just prestige and pedigree for the day when religions of the world become toothless, when men become chiknis softies, and women shall color their hair purple for ‘aurat march’.//
That is surely India’s fate, but our birth rate is proof enough that we have avoided the cancer of feminism. Long may it continue.
I agree with you on the futility of sem2sem. It’s mostly one sided though, and that side is not our side 😛
@Qureshi
What are unique Pakistani crafts? I think Kashikari is the really spell bounding but Persians and others completely outdo Pakistan in it.
I have a very low opinion of Truck art and handmade lawn fashion. Unique architectural styles, prints, anything? Where could I look to read more?
“Nothing of the sort happened in the Middle East or in India what happened to Native Americans at the hands of the Europeans.”
Wouldn’t the judge of that really be the people who were colonized? Sure Pakistanis may feel different for whatever reasons. But that does not mean other ethncities have to share the same feeling.
“Indians today speak English, or aspire to, wear western clothing or aspire to, follow a Western political and judicial system, and even have adopted Western morality en masse. This could be considered a continuation of their European colonization by some.”
If we take that standard, than almost all of asia and africa is still colonized. Why just the ex- colonized space, China or Nepal which were never colonized would also fall in the same bracket. Also dont talk like some white person as India is just caste+curry or something. We know that Pakistan is just not terrorism. We know our countries are more than that.
“As for prestige of Dar ul Uloom Deoband, most of the international madrassa students now come to Pakistan, Iran or Saudi Arabia, not India.”
Deobandi, Qadyani and Barelvi.
“That is surely India’s fate, but our birth rate is proof enough that we have avoided the cancer of feminism. Long may it continue.”
https://data.worldbank.org/indicator/ER.H2O.INTR.PC
Enjoy veere!
“I agree with you on the futility of sem2sem. It’s mostly one sided though, and that side is not our side.”
True.
What do you make of Modern Indus people and Gandharans on twitter?
I don’t know about Egypt but I met some Persians and they are quite vocal about it if you “know” about their history.
Besides, I don’t see Iran, Egyptians or Mesopotamian still hurting about it. Perhaps because they don’t see that as foreign rule.
You have clearly never spoken to a Coptic Egyptian or Iraqi Christian.
They make Hindutvadis look like a bunch of Islamophiles
Two articles which caught the eye, somehow in commies magazine
https://thewire.in/women/how-women-are-bearing-the-brunt-of-post-poll-violence-in-west-bengal
https://www.thehindu.com/opinion/lead/new-delhis-tactical-half-measure-on-kashmir/article35008189.ece?homepage=true
Even the commies are belatedly realizing it
The ironic part is the vast majority of the folks who suffered under the 12 century of slavery think that they were the ones conquering.
@Qureishi
I’d be curious to know how does the average pakistani see themselves as the “conqueror”? Weren’t majority of positions reserved for Central Asians and Afghans? If you take the average Pakistani, they were the discriminated lot.
I’ve also read Mughals had explicit quota like policies for not enlisting “Hinds” which included Indian Muslims as well. I’m always astounded at the level of mental gymnastics one has to perform to start calling Pakistanis as conquerors. The word “Cuck” mentality unironically applies to Pakistanis who espouse this opinion, unless all of this is just to get a rise out of Indians, in which case it makes sense.
I’m not trolling, looking to understand the thought process.
https://scroll.in/article/946178/a-historians-advice-to-indian-muslims-in-1947-is-relevant-to-hindus-today
this was interesting.
Habib warned Indian Muslims against nostalgia for the medieval past, when the rulers were of their faith. As he remarked: “The position of the Indian Musalmans in the middle ages was, if a very rough simile be allowed, not unlike Indian Christians during the British period.” Ruler and ruled might worship the same god; but in everything else they were separate and different.
An analysis of the officers of the Moghul and the pre-Moghul governments of Delhi will reveal the plain and sad fact that Muslims of Indian birth were rigidly excluded from the higher military and civil offices of the state. An Indian Muslim had as little chance of becoming a warlord of the Empire of Delhi as a Hindu Sudra had of ascending a Rajasthan throne.”
https://twitter.com/IhsanTipu/status/1409233380433031169
Hum iski kadi ninda karte hain.
Bahut kute jaayenge abhi Afghan.
Ertugul Ghazi(i.e. Turkey) is coming to be chowkidaar of Kabul Airport.
Cheel kare chicken ki rakhwali!
https://www.dawn.com/news/1632009/india-should-be-ashamed-of-meeting-afghan-taliban-moeed-yusuf
Paani paani ho gaye hain hum yeh sun ke NSA saab. Kadi ninda karte hain hum iski.
https://unherd.com/2021/06/british-imperialism-didnt-destroy-india/
Razib tries to pull a fast one.
“India was subject to 24 major famines between 1850 and 1899 and millions died of starvation … these tragedies were caused by a lack of accountability in an undemocratic regime”
closely followed by
“great prosecutions of British misrule in India are off-base”
These two together make no sense.
” India’s poverty in the 20th century had more to do with the fact that its economic basis, subsistence agriculture, did not change much from the 18th century.”
Who was supposed to take care of this?
“but European nations without extensive colonies also underwent rapid development in the 19th century.”
All this is hindsight and those Euros had the benefit of trading with neighbors rich with loot.
“There was no need for transfer of wealth from India to Britain”
And yet there was so much effort.
Historians have a way to justify everything. Everyone was a bumbling idiot despite them literally making wars and losing men to achieve clearly stated goals.
Dinesh Dsouza of BioTwitter for a reason.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/m.timesofindia.com/business/india-business/wipro-arm-buys-aerospace-manufacturing-facility-in-us-for-31-million/amp_articleshow/83911753.cms
Wipro arm buys aerospace manufacturing facility in US for $31 million
https://swarajyamag.com/amp/story/politics%2Fthis-is-why-the-trinamool-after-subjugating-the-police-bureaucracy-media-wants-a-pliant-judiciary
This Is Why The Trinamool, After Subjugating The Police, Bureaucracy And Media, Wants A Pliant Judiciary
She is doing what Muslim leaders do. Taking control of economy and power from the hands of common people and concentrating it in the hands of a few. In a nutshell she is creating a feudal Bengal again as it was before the British. The entire economic and intellectual prowess will be squeezed into the Calcutta Bhadralok. She has been successful post poll violence as napunsak bjp didn’t do anything. Had it been under Indira Gandhi or Congress, it would have been different- A President rule would have been imposed, NSG commanders sent to Calcutta and cleared “drains” of Bengal. This government is so napunsak that the Judges who recused are liable for impeachment won’t be impeached by the Parliament.
Well what does it say about the judges though?
It says that under Article 124(4), the judges are eligible for impeachment under the charge of ïncapacity”.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.washingtonpost.com/outlook/a-well-worn-argument-about-race-intelligence-and-violence/2021/06/23/936d815a-c7be-11eb-81b1-34796c7393af_story.html%3foutputType=amp
Interesting
British mouse roars in Russian waters
HMS Defender Versus the Russian Military: the Danger of Believing Your Own Propaganda
In a shockingly provocative move, the UK’s HMS Defender purposely sailed into Crimean territorial waters on its way to Georgia.
Press reports suggest that there was a dispute between the UK defense and foreign ministries over whether to violate Russia’s claimed territorial waters with a heavily armed warship. According to reports, Prime Minister Boris Johnson himself jumped in to over-rule the more cautious Foreign Office in favor of confrontation.
As Johnson later claimed, because the UK (and the US) does not recognize Russian sovereignty over Crimea, the UK was actually sailing through Ukrainian waters. It was an in-your-face move toward Russia just weeks after the US and NATO were forced to back down from a major clash with Russia in eastern Ukraine
This time, as was the case in eastern Ukraine, the Russians took a different view of the situation. Russian coast guard vessels ordered the HMS Defender to exit Russian territorial waters – an order they punctuated with rare live fire of cannon and dropping of bombs.
Having had their bluff called, the UK government did what all governments do best: it lied. The Russians did not shoot at a UK warship, they claimed. It was a previously-scheduled Russian military exercise in the area.
Unfortunately for the UK government, in its haste to create good propaganda about standing up to Russia, they had a BBC reporter on-board the Defender who spilled the beans: Yes, the Russian military did issue several warnings, yes it did buzz the HMS Defender multiple times, and yes there were shots fired in the Defender’s direction.
https://www.unz.com/rpaul/hms-defender-versus-the-russian-military-the-danger-of-believing-your-own-propaganda/
https://twitter.com/coolfunnytshirt/status/1409164761460187137?s=20
Rape Jihad. I stand in solidarity of Kashmiri Sikh community who are ensuring rape Jihad from islamic extremists.
Enduring *
I do stand with the community. They are harassed in Pak Britian Canada by the same jihadis. Infact Syro Malabar Church- Nasrani Christians are also standing up against jihadist in Kerala along with Hindus we need to support them too.
Rape Jihad continues
https://www.reddit.com/r/IndiaSpeaks/comments/o9j72m/recent_cases_of_forced_conversion_in_india/
https://www.google.com/amp/s/nationalpost.com/news/canada/jodhveer-dhaliwal-charged-jagmeet-singh-india-protest/wcm/b1862285-b585-41cd-aca1-32ebd397e6c8/amp/
Glad he was charged. Hope he gets prison
https://www.opindia.com/2021/06/west-bengal-poll-violence-nhrc-hc-atif-rasheed-attacked-tmc-goons-exclusive/amp/?__twitter_impression=true
BJP is just weak. Bengal is a disaster
Indian Silicon Valley Democrat Ro Khanna Pushes For ‘Brown’ Reparations Against Interest of Whites
What Qualifies As ‘Brown’?
Democrat California Congressman Ro Khanna is subtly trying to widen the net for possible racial reparations in the United States of America. In a tweet, Khanna called for reparations for “black and brown” people, leaving us to wonder: what kinds of brown people does he want to give reparations to? Is he talking about all Hispanics? How much would that cost? Is he including Indians like himself? Is he including Kamala Harris, who hails from a high-caste Brahmin family? Does Ro Khanna envision a future in which white plumbers in Nebraska pay reparations to elite Indian immigrants in Silicon Valley? HERE IS RO KHANNA’S RACIALLY-CHARGED TWEET.
Ro Khanna tweeted, “When we talk about targeted reparations, we’re talking about providing Black and Brown communities the same opportunities to build generational wealth that white families have.” Fascinating! Ro Khanna comes from a politically-active Indian family. He is the son of immigrants from India including a chemical engineer father who was educated both in India and the United States. Khanna now represents tech-rich Silicon Valley, which is driving the push for Indian migration to the U.S. 77 percent of Indian people in the United States reportedly voted for Democrat Hillary Clinton in the 2016 presidential election, according to polling. The publication Unherd ran a very revealing article headlined, “How Brahmins lead the fight against white privilege,” describing how elite Indians embrace “radical” leftist politics in America. Ro Khanna, it should be noted, infamously crossed paths with Fang Fang, the suspected Chinese spy paramour of Eric Swalwell. Fang Fang worked as a Ro Khanna campaign volunteer.
https://nationalfile.com/indian-silicon-valley-democrat-ro-khanna-pushes-for-brown-reparations-against-interest-of-whites/
I was reading Enigma’s comment and all the surprised interjections to it. What did Modi say exactly?
…..barah sau saal ki gulami ki maansikta humein pareshaan kar rahi hai. Bahut baar humse thoda ooncha vyakti mile, to sar ooncha karke baat karne ki hamari takat nahin hoti hai…
He said this on the floor of the Parliament on June 9, 2014.
Now the word Ghulam in Urdu is a loan from Arabic which means a assistant, boy, helper or servant. It does not mean slave literally – there are hundreds of people named Ghulam in a religious manner that implies “servitude to the Lord”.
In this specific instance, he uses “maansikta” which clarifies the use of the former – so he is referring to a “philosophy of servitude”. Not slavery. You can be a high ranking intellectual but still be servile.
The second sentence refers to the lack of a spine. He is not talking about slavery but the attitude of servitude that pervades every Indian field.
The inability to contest foreign narratives is a sore point with many modern Asian civilization-states. Chinese talk about a “century of humiliation”. The Japanese talk about the forced pacification after WW2.
Imposed narratives (AIT is empirical, socialism is good, Caste system is bad, Islam brings peace, Eurocentric values are best) have to be met with counter currents. Irrespective of whether that narrative has inherent value or not.
There is a Sinic pole, a Nippon centre and definitely an Indic Central. These are long term games that must be played. Examples – Non aligned Movement, electronic voting machines, Rote learning.
https://www.hindustantimes.com/india-news/latest-survey-shows-woke-politics-is-a-liability-in-india-101624977341019.html
Latest survey shows ‘woke’ politics is a liability in India
https://www.google.com/amp/s/m.thewire.in/article/women/how-women-are-bearing-the-brunt-of-post-poll-violence-in-west-bengal/amp
Even the wire is publishing it. That’s something
https://theprint.in/india/indians-support-religious-tolerance-but-prefer-to-live-marry-within-community-pew-survey/684523/
Indians support religious tolerance, but prefer to live & marry within community: Pew survey
I think by the end of the century, Pakistan will be a bigger power than India.
By 2050, Putin will be dead. Russian influence, whatever remains of it in Central Asia would have waned. Russia itself would be up for grabs. China ideally would be best placed to take up Russian territory. But China would be an ageing society by then. It would be rich but old.
Pakistan on the other hand would still be young and vibrant and somewhat prosperous – the jewel in the crown of the Chinese empire. The rest of the world would know of Pakistan’s special place in the world. China’s oldest and deepest ally.
China will initially employ Pakistanis as foot soldiers to conquer Russia. They’d also give the latter a free hand in Central Asia, along with technology and capital.
There’d also be a mass migration of Pakistanis to China. Pakistani facial features, especially the north-western ones would be in huge demand there. Over a few decades a layer of highly professional Pakistanis will establish themselves in the Chinese society, with deep connections with their co-ethnics back in the homeland.
This Pakistani network will over time begin to exert influence on Chinese policy as well, aligning it further and further to Pakistan’s interests. Over time, the relationship between the two countries might even invert.
Pakistan, on its part will stop to worry too much about India and Kashmir as it would expand outward from the Hindukush. Once Pakistanis stop expending useless energy on India, they’d be able to focus more on their country. There will be rapid development of human capital thanks to Islamic stress on equality of man. Pakistanis which will eagerly lap up all the knowhow coming in from China.
This will further Pakistani influence on Central Asia, till it becomes the pre-eminent power there. by 2150, you could travel to Astana and expect to be greeted in Urdu. You might even take offence if someone doesn’t respond to you in the beautiful tongue.
At this point, the India-Pakistan rivalry would become history. Mainly because India, if such a thing even exists at that point, will be too old and weak a society to do anything. Pakistan would conquer Kashmir in a jiffy. It could conquer the whole of India but it will realise that ruling over such a messy land is not worth the effort. So it’d just put some sanctions on India to prevent India from ever growing again. India will eventually crumble. No territory of that name would exist.
A century beyond that, Pakistan, realising that the Indus flows through it and the name ‘India’ holds some historic romance with it, will take up the name for itself.
And that’s how India will come to rule from Arabian Sea to the Arctic Ocean.
Would like to have what ur smoking.
Seems straight out of Naseem Hijazi’s novel
I didn’t intend for this to turn out like a copypasta when I started writing it but now that it has, please feel free to post it without attribution on forums like defence.pk and other places where people unironically talk about fifth generation warfare.
I’d be interested to see the limits of Poe’s Law.
Prats which generation are you living in? Pakdefense folks have moved on to sixth generation warfare and geo-economics (new buzzword) warfare
Try to keep up man.
India’s muslim problem will make so many babies and the coward, confused Hindu raised on low-protein diet will keep taking the easier routw when confronted. Just look at how it was out-maneuvered in Afghanistan. Eventually Pakistan will establish protectorate muslim states in six places across India: Kashmir, Rohillakhand, Kerala, Hyderabad, Bengal and Assam. There will be no outright conquering of Delhi as its Pakistani client muslim population will run the show in rest of India. Verile pakistanis, having gained lebensraum in central asia and being rich and all would just like to manage the mess that would be India. Each of the Pakistani colonies in India would serve some ‘geostrategic’ interest of Pakistan, for example, Calcutta would rival the then superpower Bangladesh. This is what the map of Akhand Bharat would look like btw, but it would be Pakistan which would take over the India/Bharat name like prats said:
https://brilliantmaps.com/first-pakistan/
Gandhar, Kamboj and Indus people shall reign supreme due to their ‘geostrategy’.
My prediction is that in mid 2100s a cold war could start between pakistan and the world’s other superpower, the resurrected ottomon empire (which would control most of europe and middle east by that point). The one who would win this cold war would go on to convert the whole world to islam.( btw, you guys forgot about khalistan and pakistan’s future colony in europe – londonistan. The latter would be a big friction point during the cold war)
Ertugrul vs Bin Qasim. Drones vs Nukes.
Erdogan has already made the first move by taking over Kabul airport. Never mind the Lira is now 1/7 of what it was in 2008.
Pakistan is retaliating with serious psyops though:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-FOq97yVTIQ
It’s a good proposition but Pakistan isn’t Central Asian even if they want to imitate them. They don’t possess required intellect and economic prowess to do so. They are running a mediaeval feudal empire just like Turkic hordes but still not able to achieve their level of extraction. My best wishes to Pakistan surviving next 50 years and already facing colonial threats from China.