A teenage Christian girl claims she was raped, forcibly converted to Islam and then married off to a 45-year-old Muslim divorcee in the Pakistani port city of Karachi.
Neha Pervaiz, 15, a resident of Ittehad Town, told ucanews.com about her ordeal. “I was taken by my aunt, a Muslim convert, to her house on April 28 to help her look after her sick son.
But there I was asked to marry a Muslim man named Imran. When I refused, they beat me up and threatened to kill my minor brother who was with me,” Neha said.
“Later I was taken to a room where I was raped by Imran.
They then pressurized me to convert to Islam and marry Imran.“On April 29, I was taken to an Islamic cleric, who asked me to recite Quranic verses and gave me a new name, Fatima.”
Unfortunately, no authentic data is available on forced conversions and forced marriages in Pakistan, but about 1,000 cases involving Hindu and Christian girls were estimated to have taken place in Sindh province alone in 2018, according to the Human Rights Commission of Pakistan (HRCP).
It is hard for me even understand what is going through the minds of perpetrators, in these type of situations.
Why would you want to forcible convert someone, and then make her your wife and live with her for your whole life ?
Is it driven purely by lust ? Is there some sort of religious belief that this is a good thing?
I am at a loss to even comprehend.
Some people are just trash.
He needed a new wife, so it was forced marriage. Nothing particularly islamic about that.
The forced conversion is islamically influenced though, there’s nothing worse than being kuffar according to Quran.
So the idea of a non muslim wife is too much to bear for these people who interpret the Quran very narrowly.
Forced conversion of Christians/Jews is explicitly forbidden in Islam. There is 100% consensus on this, across all schools of thoughts, whether in the 7th century or 21st century.
“The Quran allows marriage to Christians and Jews and only rules out marriage to polytheists.”
I am aware of the above. Hence, why i said narrow interpretation.
“The forced conversion is islamically influenced though, there’s nothing worse than being kuffar according to Quran.”
But it’s precisely the quranic anti kuffar sentiment which leads these people to force convert, even if the act is not directly justified by quranic verses.
Because being a christian/kuffar is seen as inferior.
Why else the forced conversion in this case?
This sounds a bit dumb to me.
Using your logic, I could say the murder of Muslims by Hindus is “influenced by Hinduism”, since Hindu texts make it clear that non-Hindus (Mlecchas) are an undesirable/polluting presence (despite the fact that Hinduism forbids murder as far as I know).
“I could say the murder of Muslims by Hindus is “influenced by Hinduism”, since Hindu texts make it clear that non-Hindus (Mlecchas) are an undesirable/polluting presence (despite the fact that Hinduism forbids murder as far as I know).”
Firstly, the term Mleccha is not a routine word used in mainstream Hindu religious scriptures, unlike kuffar which is a key word of hate throughout the Quran.
Secondly, Mleccha’s earliest attestation was likely used to describe Dravidian speakers and tribals.
Hindus don’t go around killing Muslims because some obscure Hindu text told them to hate Mleccha, in contrast to Islamists who regularly quote from the Quran to justify their atrocities towards kuffar.
Hindu fanatics kill Muslims (in the modern era) because of modern day Hindutva extremism/nationalism, which really has no strong scriptural basis.
“This sounds a bit dumb to me.”
Ok smart man, tell me why this Imran forced converted the 15 year old girl? What was going through his head?
Her kuffar status was evidently seen as a major problem for him, hence why he forced converted her.
Where did he get the idea that being kuffar is a major problem?
Surely not the Quran and his religious upbringing!
“Forced conversion of Christians/Jews is explicitly forbidden in Islam”
Saying there is “no compulsion in religion” is not the same as saying you will get burnt in hell for force converting christians.
Is it really “explicitly forbidden”? Any article you could point me to?
“Do not force anyone to become Muslim, for Islam is plain and clear, and its proofs and evidence are plain and clear. Therefore, there is no need to force anyone to embrace Islam.” – Ibn Kathir, arguably the most renowned classical Muffassir in Sunni Islam.
“Their churches will not be inhabited by the Muslims and will not be destroyed. Neither they, nor the land on which they stand, nor their cross, not their property will be damaged. They will not be forcibly converted…” Umar, 2nd Caliph, upon conquering Jerusalem.
“they [Spanish Christian] will not be coerced in matters of religion, their churches will not be burned, nor will their sacred objects be taken from them”, Abdul Aziz Ibn Musa, first governor of Al Andalus (Islamic Spain).
“There is no compulsion in religion” has been understood for 1400 years by Muslims as making it forbidden to forcefully convert people to Islam. Disobeying the Quran is a major sin, and if not repented for, yes, will send a Muslim DIRECTLY to hell after death. In fact, a Muslim committing a major sin and refusing to acknowledge it was wrong to do so, is considered grounds for apostasy in some schools, meaning the Muslim could be punished (executed) in our lifetime.
“Disobeying the Quran is a major sin, and if not repented for, yes, will send a Muslim DIRECTLY to hell after death.”
The Quran also tells Muslims not to make friends with kuffar. So going by that logic millions of Muslims are ‘disobeying’ the Quran and committing a major sin.
Clearly there is a scale for which koranic injunctions are seen as more forbidden to break in the popular islamic mind.
I am still not convinced that forced conversion is seen as bad as being a sodomite or worshipping idols for example, which are points drummed in repeatedly in the Quran (major sins).
Although it is not acceptable in mainstream Islamic jurisprudence to force convert Christians.
[Quran (9:29) – “Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued.”
Suras 9 and 5 are the last major chapters that Muhammad narrated – hence abrogating what came before, including the oft-quoted verse 2:256 -“There is no compulsion in religion…”.]
Regarding the friends thing, its more about taking non-Muslims as friends before or on the same level as Muslims, or taking non-Muslims as protectors. There are schools of thought who believe its a sin for Muslims to willingly live in non-Muslim countries, and condemn Western-diaspora Muslims for this reason. When the Mughal Empire fell in India there were some who called for Indian-Muslims to migrate to Afghanistan.
The verse you quote (9:29) has nothing to do with converting non-Muslims, its about conquering them. Some say this gives sanction to unending offensive war against non-Muslims, who once conquered, can either admit defeat and pay taxes to the Muslim state, leave, or die. Most Muslims however say this can only be applied in defensive war.
The Quran allows marriage to Christians and Jews and only rules out marriage to polytheists. Not that the scum who did this would know. The Christian girl would have been picked because her family are likely to be poor and easy to victimise.
Rape and forced conversion are criminal acts punishable under Pakistani law. Unfortunately, these laws are not implemented properly. In many cases where forced conversion is alleged the woman herself says she married and converted of her own free will. Of course this is likely said under duress, but there is not much the judge can do in such circumstances. Pakistan is clearly failing its minority citizens and we must do better.
The injunctions and multiple references to kuffar in the Quran appear to relate to when Islam was a start-up of fewer than a thousand people and the Meccan polytheists were doing their best to wipe all the worshippers out. In that environment it was a rather obvious injunction that marriage and social relationships with them was banned if the community was to survive. It was not revealed as a manual to tell Muslims how to interact with non-Muslims from altogether different countries far into the future where there was no risk of extinction.
I don’t think that is accurate, more wishful thinking.
These final surahs from Medina have anti-kuffar sentiment.
I have read that Muhammad was more moderate when he was militarily weak at the very beginning. When he gained military power he naturally became more aggressive:
On being friends with kuffar , Surah 5, Verse 51:
“O ye who believe! take not the Jews and the Christians for your friends and protectors: They are but friends and protectors to each other. And he amongst you that turns to them (for friendship) is of them. Verily Allah guideth not a people unjust.”
On forced converting polytheists, Surah 9:
“4 (But the treaties are) not dissolved with those Pagans with whom ye have entered into alliance and who have not subsequently failed you in aught, nor aided any one against you. So fulfil your engagements with them to the end of their term: for Allah loveth the righteous.
5 ***But when the forbidden months are past, then fight and slay the Pagans wherever ye find them, an seize them, beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them in every stratagem (of war); but if they repent, and establish regular prayers and practise regular charity, then open the way for them: for Allah is Oft-forgiving, Most Merciful.***
6 If one amongst the Pagans ask thee for asylum, grant it to him, so that he may hear the word of Allah, and then escort him to where he can be secure. That is because they are men without knowledge.
7 How can there be a league, before Allah and His Messenger, with the Pagans, except those with whom ye made a treaty near the sacred Mosque? As long as these stand true to you, stand ye true to them: for Allah doth love the righteous.”
https://quran.com/9/5
Every Hindu in the world should be aware of this above injunction, and understand the significance of it.
Basically he is saying unless polytheists (i.e. Hindus) convert to Islam they should be killed. This is from the penultimate surah.
People can argue that the context means only the polytheists of arabia. But this doesn’t stop Islamists from basing their treatment of kuffar in other countries on these verses.
This stuff isn’t about Islam, in most of these cases Islam is just a post hoc justification for human trafficking. The real issues here are state failure and socioeconomically marginal populations.