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well zach, you can say you banned me, equal opportunity offender. I cant repress myself from saying this much, as i have said in my once earlier twitter comment, due to the incredible bubble in which muslims live in, even those who recently left religion or are agnostics continue to live and defend that worldview. Its really sad, I once saw an atheist support ISIS because she felt more affiliated to her “sunni tribe”. People should listen to one video of some omar aziz and sam harris to get an idea. Or how cenk uyghur , a person on the left and an atheist/agnostic pretended that armenian genocide never happened. I must remind again that India was not stagnant (whatever that means) before coming of Islam, the downfall of science,universities, debates,discussions, philosophy , buddhism being wiped out (loss of diversity of thought), atheists conveniently die out by 12 th century except few being heard for the last time under akbar. There was a total loss of diversity of thought and one sees this clearly in much of muslim majority countries even now as well. “Diversity of thought” is the only criteria one can measure things by. Even akbar and before him al biruni were amazed that people could discuss ideas without coming to blows . Even the book “unifying Hinduism” by k Andrew J. Nicholson makes the case of loss of diversity and greater unison among many hindu sects as being in part due to reaction to Islam and how these arguments could be used to demonstrate thereby the negative influence of it. Finally to marathas, they did ban slavery perhaps not totally but in their domain they did try to stamp out the trading of slaves, a clear improvement atleast legally over mughals on this issue. One of the understudied aspects of India is of slaves being sold off under islamic periods. That did not happen to that degree before. Also, veera shaiva, ramanuja others working on “speaking out on caste discrimination” . I must say I believe India would have done much better with all these ideas(particularly the math/astronomy) transmitting from kashmir to kerala and indonesia , china and back. Europe inspite of being christian in majority was opened up by literature and arts on one hand and philosophy,science and commerce backing all this thanks to copyright laws and patent laws. I showed earlier that mughals were amongs the most exploitative empires of the world, and science/math/astronomy production was very poor and on that score the evidence is decisive that things were worse than before, only in kerala did astronomy develop further in comparison to europe.

Finally I see this bullshit rhetoric of its all economics and politics, their motives were really about x and y and that explains everything. Actually no!. For one thing, every human endeavour contains economics/politics. achieving any goal depends on “legitimacy”, if we are to believe secularism is a progress or nation state is a progress over religious domains, democracy is a progress over monarchy, rights to minority is a progress over giving them no rights, then the “legitimacy” through which humans conducted themselves matters even more!. So when people agree to bullshit of indthings to the motives being same argument, it to me clearly was a pathetically low standard as I see. Religion is a way to recruit, organise and bring judgement on people and one cannot dismiss it away by saying, the motives were same or religious structures were damaged earlier as well.

If anything the problem in the muslim world or nazis or hindutva is essentially one of methods of legitimacy through which they wish to gain power/wealth and how those ideas then interact with regard to others rights ,production of science,literature. Either one believes the dominant belief system plays a role regarding this or not.All things said and done, to not see this is ultimate idiocy. And you zach are not the idiot here on this issue.