Saw this question asked elsewhere but doesn’t seem to have been answered (confession: I didn’t watch this video either). Do we know how long Jarawa, Onge, Sentinelese etc. have been endogamous (including not mixing with each other), and why they don’t mix with each other?
There seem to be some endogamous tribes in Papua New Guinea (this is based on casual googling, please don’t beat me up if wrong) too. Is it possible that the IHG themselves were composed of multiple endogamous tribes?
Do we know how long Jarawa, Onge, Sentinelese etc. have been endogamous (including not mixing with each other), and why they don’t mix with each other?
i think the only samples we got are onge. i doubt they were endogamous in a way that made them THAT genetically distinct. their seem at least two language families in the andamans though, and that’s pretty typical of hunter-gatherers
Thanks. You mean the Onge are probably not as distinct from other Andamanese tribes as they are from the statistically reconstructed AASI of mainland (say based on contrasting with the physical features of say uLLADars), and this should be due to intra-Andaman mixing?
The film makers are disingenuous in shedding tears for outsiders interacting with Jarawa and going there ‘to hear their side of the story’ . It looks like they have not taken permission from the Indian authorities to go there and also complaining India is not protecting them enough.
OTOH, they have gobe with good bilinguals who can catch the Jarawa language even from a distance. Western chutzpah.
The dialogues look tutored, with the Jarawa describing their way of life “The trees bear a lot of fruit, the flowers are magnificent” and “in the evenings we’re together to sit down, we build a bonfire, we’re happy together”, which all sound much more like a western progressive’s conception of tribal life than anything actual tribals would say (even accounting for translation).
The real agenda comes out after the video, when the anchor interviews the director and they say history was repeating after European treatment of American Indians, as if there is any comparison between the two.
So my feelings are mixed: almost certainly there’s much corruption among the Indian rangers and the poacher bastards threaten the Jarawa livelihood, but addressing that need not and should not be at the expense of creating a false equivalence with the stellar “contribution” of shitty whites and the allegedly glorious western civilization in nearly annihilating an extraordinary number of tribes. The entire thing should be done without the white man’s burden complex, and by actually listening to the Jarawa instead of bribing them to repeat simplistic western talking points (which is the opposite of listening to them).
Also notice how, as a group, the west plays a “good cop bad cop” game: elsewhere, racist westerners are saying that the “savages” should be brought to justice; perhaps many of these believing in shooting those who enter their private property.
4. Life History, mating, marriage
4.1 Age at menarche (f):
On the first menarche of life movement of the girl is restricted to a limit space boarded by four posts and she has to keep her
eyes closed. {8}
6.3 Passage rituals (birth, death, puberty, seasonal):
In the adolescent ceremony the boy has to hunt a wild pig and offer to his kin and others. {8}
The Opemame ceremony of girl is observed when she attains puberty. {8}
On the first menarche of life movement of the girl is restricted to a limit space boarded by four posts
Given similar rituals for puberty and menstruation Hindu girls in south India , it may be an echo of AASI and cultural continuity.
Saw this question asked elsewhere but doesn’t seem to have been answered (confession: I didn’t watch this video either). Do we know how long Jarawa, Onge, Sentinelese etc. have been endogamous (including not mixing with each other), and why they don’t mix with each other?
There seem to be some endogamous tribes in Papua New Guinea (this is based on casual googling, please don’t beat me up if wrong) too. Is it possible that the IHG themselves were composed of multiple endogamous tribes?
Do we know how long Jarawa, Onge, Sentinelese etc. have been endogamous (including not mixing with each other), and why they don’t mix with each other?
i think the only samples we got are onge. i doubt they were endogamous in a way that made them THAT genetically distinct. their seem at least two language families in the andamans though, and that’s pretty typical of hunter-gatherers
Thanks. You mean the Onge are probably not as distinct from other Andamanese tribes as they are from the statistically reconstructed AASI of mainland (say based on contrasting with the physical features of say uLLADars), and this should be due to intra-Andaman mixing?
oh yeah. the AASI separated from andamanese 40,000 years ago
#PrimeDirective morality
I sense a fellow Voyager fan..
TNG > Voyager (though wifey disagrees). Btw I am a serious trekkie.
I have watched more Voyager and DS9 more than TNG.
I was into Trek but I never caught on with Enterprise (the Scott Bakula one).
I am much more a Trekkie than Star Wars ..
The film makers are disingenuous in shedding tears for outsiders interacting with Jarawa and going there ‘to hear their side of the story’ . It looks like they have not taken permission from the Indian authorities to go there and also complaining India is not protecting them enough.
OTOH, they have gobe with good bilinguals who can catch the Jarawa language even from a distance. Western chutzpah.
Just saw the video (the version at https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=St_g0JIfmTk ). They state explicitly that they broke the law to film the Jarawa.
The dialogues look tutored, with the Jarawa describing their way of life “The trees bear a lot of fruit, the flowers are magnificent” and “in the evenings we’re together to sit down, we build a bonfire, we’re happy together”, which all sound much more like a western progressive’s conception of tribal life than anything actual tribals would say (even accounting for translation).
The real agenda comes out after the video, when the anchor interviews the director and they say history was repeating after European treatment of American Indians, as if there is any comparison between the two.
So my feelings are mixed: almost certainly there’s much corruption among the Indian rangers and the poacher bastards threaten the Jarawa livelihood, but addressing that need not and should not be at the expense of creating a false equivalence with the stellar “contribution” of shitty whites and the allegedly glorious western civilization in nearly annihilating an extraordinary number of tribes. The entire thing should be done without the white man’s burden complex, and by actually listening to the Jarawa instead of bribing them to repeat simplistic western talking points (which is the opposite of listening to them).
Also notice how, as a group, the west plays a “good cop bad cop” game: elsewhere, racist westerners are saying that the “savages” should be brought to justice; perhaps many of these believing in shooting those who enter their private property.
+1008 froginthewell
Comment of the day!
From a paper on Jarawa people I read
4. Life History, mating, marriage
4.1 Age at menarche (f):
On the first menarche of life movement of the girl is restricted to a limit space boarded by four posts and she has to keep her
eyes closed. {8}
6.3 Passage rituals (birth, death, puberty, seasonal):
In the adolescent ceremony the boy has to hunt a wild pig and offer to his kin and others. {8}
The Opemame ceremony of girl is observed when she attains puberty. {8}
On the first menarche of life movement of the girl is restricted to a limit space boarded by four posts
Given similar rituals for puberty and menstruation Hindu girls in south India , it may be an echo of AASI and cultural continuity.